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Well, personally, after this monumentally disapointing season mercifully comes to an end, I'd gut the core of this team and send Bertuzzi, Naslund, Morrison and Cloutier packing. With those four to deal I'd go after some of the solid youth that is cutting its teeth in the NHL right now.

How about Naslund and Cloutier to Philadelphia for Mike Richards and Jeff Carter?

Another guy I'd target would be Evgeni Malkin.

Bring in guys that want to clock in and won't quit on the coach, guys that will compliment the Sedins and the rest of the youth movement coming up from Manitoba, not walk around like they aren't worth the dirt on their shoes...

Who will be the number one centre? Haven't got a clue. I can tell you, with much relief and great ballyhoo, that it won't be Brendan Morrison.
 

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gordfish said:
Well, personally, after this monumentally disapointing season mercifully comes to an end, I'd gut the core of this team and send Bertuzzi, Naslund, Morrison and Cloutier packing. With those four to deal I'd go after some of the solid youth that is cutting its teeth in the NHL right now.

How about Naslund and Cloutier to Philadelphia for Mike Richards and Jeff Carter?

Another guy I'd target would be Evgeni Malkin.

Bring in guys that want to clock in and won't quit on the coach, guys that will compliment the Sedins and the rest of the youth movement coming up from Manitoba, not walk around like they aren't worth the dirt on their shoes...

Who will be the number one centre? Haven't got a clue. I can tell you, with much relief and great ballyhoo, that it won't be Brendan Morrison.
I see what your saying. BUT, I don't think the whole top line will be traded.

Morrison? Most likely. Bertuzzi? Again, it depends on what they can get back. Cloutier? He's as good as gone.

It would be wise to keep Naslund. With linemates that work hard, he could win the scoring race

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I see what your saying. BUT, I don't think the whole top line will be traded.

Morrison? Most likely. Bertuzzi? Again, it depends on what they can get back. Cloutier? He's as good as gone.

It would be wise to keep Naslund. With linemates that work hard, he could win the scoring race

:twocentsi
Why would it be wise to keep a guy who disappears this time of year? Again, take a look at how Joe Sakic, Mike Modano, Steve Yzerman and Martin Brodeur are playing right now. Where is Markus Naslund? This team needs their captain and scoring leader to step up and lead them into the playoffs. He hasn't scored since he tied the second game of the Edmonton series.

And there is the fact that he'd get them the best return of the four.

If they keep Naslund, the leadership of this team doesn't change, and it is that leadership above all else that has failed them this year. I don't see how rebuilding the first line around a guy that can't lead his troops into the fray is going to help this team go anywhere in the playoffs.

The WCE should get back together, though...they can write a book together called "How to Bilk a City Out of $15 Million Dollars..."
 

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Why would it be wise to keep a guy who disappears this time of year? Again, take a look at how Joe Sakic, Mike Modano, Steve Yzerman and Martin Brodeur are playing right now. Where is Markus Naslund? This team needs their captain and scoring leader to step up and lead them into the playoffs. He hasn't scored since he tied the second game of the Edmonton series.
Well..take a look at his linemates. In fact, he doesn't have the same linemates for each game. Too much juggling, equals less success

I understand your frustration. However, I just don't see the Canucks trading all three players..especially Naslund.
 

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How about Vasicek, from Carolina? We mentioned him before..as a possible partner for the twins.

This guy has size, and potential. Sure, it would be a risk..but then sometimes you have to take a gamble.

Carolina has done well without him, so I think he could be had..for the right price.

BTW, upon return from a knee injury..he had 2g 2a 4p last night

Just a name to consider
 

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Well..take a look at his linemates. In fact, he doesn't have the same linemates for each game. Too much juggling, equals less success

I understand your frustration. However, I just don't see the Canucks trading all three players..especially Naslund.
Indeed, I agree, perhaps drop Morrison, Bertuzzi, and Cloutier this summer and watch Jovo get picked up by some sucker team in the UFA.

If the Canucks can keep many of their dmen and sign some of the new acquistions (Ohlund, Salo, Allen, Carney, Brown, Bieksa, Baumer, Bourdon, etc.) we should be able to make some room for some decent forwards to replace Morrison and Bertuzzi, and perhaps another good forward for the third line.

I have no ideas who that would be right now, but perhaps it would also be worthwhile to trade those forementioned three baffoons for future prospects and picks if we can pick up some star players in free agency (whoever they may be, I have no suggestions at this point).
 

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Chris Drury will be a UFA

He's a decent player, and is very good on faceoffs

But, is he better than Morrison?
It's arguable, that's for sure. Both players have a totally different style of game. Can Chris Drury ever play again like he did in Colorado?
 

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It's arguable, that's for sure. Both players have a totally different style of game. Can Chris Drury ever play again like he did in Colorado?
Only if he ends up in Philly back alongside Forsberg...

Don't get me wrong, I like Drury, but his offensive numbers were clearly in large part due to who he played with in Denver...
 

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I think regardless of what happens there should be a shake up in Vancouver. The chemistry that was the West Coast Express has pretty much evaporated, and this happened before March 8 2004. Morrison makes way too much to be a third line or second line center on any team. As Gordo has said Bert is going to be in the last year of a contract next year so where ever he goes they will get "90 point Bert" so he can be re-upped. If Naslund had a creative center and an energetic winger he could still be a top point producer (I am not predicting Art Ross or Rocket Richard trophy - I don't wear goggles). I think Jovo is gone for greener pastures. Cloutier should go for whatever they can get for him, maybe his #1 fan Brian Burke will take him (doubt it) The twins and Carter should be resigned. I would love to see Keith Carney back, perhaps Daryl Sydor from TBay might be available. To answer the question. If the Sedin line is around, set up Cooke-Kessler-Naslund as the second line. The balance of the forward lines would be made up of who ever is left, traded for, brought in from the Moose, or is lured in via free agency. If they totally gut the team get rid of Crow as well and bring in Andy Murray, if they tinker as is most likely, then Crow stays for another chance to mold what is left.
 

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If they commit to keeping Naslund, then they have to get him a legit number one centre to play with. Considering his track record as a leader, it makes no sense to keep him while trading Bertuzzi and Morrison for youth. Go that direction, and the culture of the team doesn't change. It will still be a team that falls short in the spring, no matter how well it does during the season.

So, if they keep Naslund, the best option IMO would be to talk to the Leafs about Mats Sundin. Hopefully, they will drop their requirement that Belfour be included in any such deal. Whether or not Bertuzzi alone would be enough to swing that deal, I don't know. Maybe Morrison would have to be included in a package that would bring someone else back from the Leafs. And then of course, Vancouver would have to look for a winger to play with them, one that comes cheap considering that the Sedins and Carter are likely to at least double their current earnings next season. Maybe Mogilny, considering his success with Sundin in the past?

And then, what do you about the blueline? They likely wouldn't have enough in the kitty to resign Jovo, so an offensive D-man would have to be a priority. And of course, they'd need to resign Carney or bring in Mitchell. At that point, Mitchell would likely be too costly, so Carney becomes the best choice. I for one believe Bourdon can play. Take a look at what Phaneuf is doing in Calgary. With the CBA as is, this is becoming a young man's game anyway. So with Ohlund, Salo, Carney, Bourdon, Allen, Brown and Bieksa, you'd hope that Nonis would look for a guy like Sydor instead of bring Baumgatner back, but if Bourdon does stick, Baumgartner will be the more likely scenario...

And lastly, IMO moving Cloutier is the obvious choice. That being said, it is more likely that Nonis will trade Auld and go with Cloutier and Noronen. Of course, when Cloutier gets hurt again Nonis will be right back out there looking for a goalie at next year's deadline, but no one has ever said Canuck managment was heavy on the grey matter.

So...

Naslund / Sundin / Mogilny
Daniel / Henrik / Carter
Burrows / Kesler / Cooke
Ruutu / Green / Park
King, Brookbank

Salo / Ohlund
Carney / Bourdon
Baumgartner / Allen
Brown, Bieksa

Cloutier
Noronen

Anyone esle see a team that will be fighting for a playoff spot again next year?
 

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Naslund / Sundin / Mogilny
Daniel / Henrik / Carter
Burrows / Kesler / Cooke
Ruutu / Green / Park
King, Brookbank

Salo / Ohlund
Carney / Bourdon
Baumgartner / Allen
Brown, Bieksa

Cloutier
Noronen
Poisson,

No offense..but that lineup doesn't look so grand

-Park will be a UFA, and probably won't be resigned.
-Burrows..can he have repeat success..or will he turn into Bouck?
-Green..a callup player at best..not much more

-Mogilny..this is a gamble. He could have a bounce back year like Selanne, or one like Czerkawski
-Sundin..this is also a gamble..I can't stand this guy..but he is a first line center
-Cloutier..I think he will be traded..more experience than Auld
-Bourdon..As I mentioned before, the Canucks should be patient with him. Let him develop, and dont rush him

You mentioned an offensive defenseman..how about Zidlicky? You want offense, he provides just that. Nonis should try and resign Carney. If that doesn't work out, keep Mitchell and Mckee as options

Also, what about Zhamnov? The word is Boston will buy him out. Sure, he had a terrible season..and was overpaid. But, this would ofcourse be another gamble signing

For faceoff specialist/depth center..these names come to mind
-McCauley
-Rucchin
-Halpern
-Chubarov..entice him to come back

Just some ideas
 

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Poisson,

No offense..but that lineup doesn't look so grand

-Park will be a UFA, and probably won't be resigned.
-Burrows..can he have repeat success..or will he turn into Bouck?
-Green..a callup player at best..not much more

-Mogilny..this is a gamble. He could have a bounce back year like Selanne, or one like Czerkawski
-Sundin..this is also a gamble..I can't stand this guy..but he is a first line center
-Cloutier..I think he will be traded..more experience than Auld
-Bourdon..As I mentioned before, the Canucks should be patient with him. Let him develop, and dont rush him

You mentioned an offensive defenseman..how about Zidlicky? You want offense, he provides just that. Nonis should try and resign Carney. If that doesn't work out, keep Mitchell and Mckee as options

Also, what about Zhamnov? The word is Boston will buy him out. Sure, he had a terrible season..and was overpaid. But, this would ofcourse be another gamble signing

For faceoff specialist/depth center..these names come to mind
-McCauley
-Rucchin
-Halpern
-Chubarov..entice him to come back

Just some ideas
None taken. I don't think it is all that great either, which is the point I was trying to illustrate...I think they are much better off dealing Naslund along with Bertuzzi, Morrison and Cloutier and making this team younger and hungrier. Things seem to work better here when the ice-time is more evenly distributed and the scoring is done "by comittee" anyways.
 

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If they commit to keeping Naslund, then they have to get him a legit number one centre to play with. Considering his track record as a leader, it makes no sense to keep him while trading Bertuzzi and Morrison for youth. Go that direction, and the culture of the team doesn't change. It will still be a team that falls short in the spring, no matter how well it does during the season.

So, if they keep Naslund, the best option IMO would be to talk to the Leafs about Mats Sundin. Hopefully, they will drop their requirement that Belfour be included in any such deal. Whether or not Bertuzzi alone would be enough to swing that deal, I don't know. Maybe Morrison would have to be included in a package that would bring someone else back from the Leafs. And then of course, Vancouver would have to look for a winger to play with them, one that comes cheap considering that the Sedins and Carter are likely to at least double their current earnings next season. Maybe Mogilny, considering his success with Sundin in the past?

And then, what do you about the blueline? They likely wouldn't have enough in the kitty to resign Jovo, so an offensive D-man would have to be a priority. And of course, they'd need to resign Carney or bring in Mitchell. At that point, Mitchell would likely be too costly, so Carney becomes the best choice. I for one believe Bourdon can play. Take a look at what Phaneuf is doing in Calgary. With the CBA as is, this is becoming a young man's game anyway. So with Ohlund, Salo, Carney, Bourdon, Allen, Brown and Bieksa, you'd hope that Nonis would look for a guy like Sydor instead of bring Baumgatner back, but if Bourdon does stick, Baumgartner will be the more likely scenario...

And lastly, IMO moving Cloutier is the obvious choice. That being said, it is more likely that Nonis will trade Auld and go with Cloutier and Noronen. Of course, when Cloutier gets hurt again Nonis will be right back out there looking for a goalie at next year's deadline, but no one has ever said Canuck managment was heavy on the grey matter.

So...

Naslund / Sundin / Mogilny
Daniel / Henrik / Carter
Burrows / Kesler / Cooke
Ruutu / Green / Park
King, Brookbank

Salo / Ohlund
Carney / Bourdon
Baumgartner / Allen
Brown, Bieksa

Cloutier
Noronen

Anyone esle see a team that will be fighting for a playoff spot again next year?
That's an exagerrated pessimistic view of the idiocy of Canuck management. Something tells me that Nonis may be different though. As I've mentioned before I think he would have been lynched if he broke up the team prior to his first season, but now that the city has seen that this group cannot get it done, we will start to see some changes. Hopefully with the coach going, followed by Morrison, Bertuzzi, Jovo, and Cloutier. If Cloutier is kept I think there will be a lot of angry fans next year.

As for who we could get in return up front if we got rid of those guys, I don't know, does anyone have a list of players who will be UFA at the end of the season? What is the likelihood of getting Nagy or Doan out of Phoenix? That would be tight. I think Nagy would be worth the risk, and he's not afraid to get in a tustle, something are top forwards need to do more, maybe. Or what are the chances of getting Jason Blake or Michael York out of Long Island? That franchise has been known to be ridiculously incompetent when it comes to trading big names, so I wouldn't scratch those names off the list. Also, if people think we need something for our third line, Aaron Asham would be a nice aquisition, and is probably looking for a change of scenery since his skills are not being reached to their fullest potential on a crap franchise like NYI. If he and Kesler and Cooke were a third line we could be quite set. Or Mike Keenan seems to do some strange things with the team's he's had, maybe he would be willing to unload some of their up and coming youth for Cloutier or Morrtuzzi. Another incompetent management seems to be the one in Boston, what would it take to get their best franchise players like Boyes or Bergeron? How dumb could they be to get rid of those players? Something tells me not much considering how willing they were to unleash Joe Thornton.
 

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One interesting UFA possibilty would be Mike Peca. He'd likely have to take a bit of a paycut to come here, but considering how poorly things have gone for him in Edmonton, he might be willing to sign here for three to three and a half million. That would give Nonis a lot more leeway when trading Morrison, Bert and Naslund.

How about Naslund to Philadelphia for Steve Downie and Ben Eager? Then see if Gretzky is willing to do a Bertuzzi and Cloutier for Shane Doan swap.

That leaves Brendan Morrison to dangle for a left winger. Considering how much Holland likes Brendan Morrison, I bet if you offered him Morrison for Holmstrom and a draft pick he'd bite.

Daniel / Henrik / Carter
Holmstrom / Peca / Doan
Cooke / Kesler / Downie
Burrows / Green / Ruutu
Eager

No definitive first line there, more of a 1a and 1b approach, which allows for the ice time to be more evenly distributed.

Of course, that changes the team's philosophy from pressuring the puck to a more responsible approach in all three zones, so maybe at that point you do get rid of Crawford and offer the job to Brent Sutter.
 
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