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I sit here wondering what it is to be human, whether a human being can be found in cognitively or whether or not you just have to look similar to other humans to get such a label. Somehow through all my thoughts I came across the thought of humanity being able to justify. Whether their actions or their choices, they always seem to justify themselves in some sense or another. It could be something horrid like murder and yet they justify it as best they can, as if their action seemed not to have been evil just this once. I suppose a person is incapable of doing something bad without the purpose of seeing some good come from their action.

Eg. One might feel that theft is wrong but to commit a crime when incapable of feeding yourself, a person or individual might steal food, so that they can live. They did what they felt was wrong, but justify it by saying they committed a wrong for the chance at life, a greater good as some might say.

This would not be an unique characteristics of humanity, as it seems that all our wrong doings happen out of ignorance. We act in hopes of a beneficial end, but then latter regret it when that end is not achieved.

Eg. One might remorse that they had not spent their time during their math lectures (as an youth) playing tic-tac-toe with their friend, for they realize their options become more limited when they grow up.

Without hindsight the individual in question acted on the thought that immediate pleasure was the good, with he hindsight they can now not gain the lucrative wage of a civil engineer, which they now desire.

I think the easiest way to understand what I am saying is to hypothetically imagine a human that knew everything, whether or not this is possible is irrelevant merely for hypothetical purposes can we assume this human exists. This human that knows everything, knows what is good, whether that good is individualistic, whether it is socialist, whether it is the worship of green onions, is really quite irrelevant. Since this human knows everything, and knows what good is, this human will never be wrong, can never do bad, because it is impossible for a person to consciously do something they know to be wrong and unbeneficial in anyway toward accomplishing “the good.” People who do this under the individualist sense would see hard working people in first world countries producing less product in more expensive working conditions and note the effect that has as direct to their profit margins. This person, whose believes what benefits himself is "the Good" will then see a third world country with little labour laws and no minimum wage, realize the increase in personal profit and will be forced by their definition of "the good" to comply with their justification to move that company. Some would call this taking advantage of this third world nation human nature, I would disagree. I believe that it is derived from their nature, though. There have been known selfless communities, or people who have existed, they acted on their view of a social "good" and it is just as natural for them to share as it is for the individualist to take. Most earlier and modern hunter gather societies emulate this. The bottom line is that if there is on "objective" good, it will either be found via luck or omnipotence, but humans as a species are driven to commit their "good or bad deeds" through their subjective understanding of what is good.

My argument is not to claim that humans can achieve omnipotence, but rather I was trying to make a claim that we, as a species, naturally try to be good. Extrapolating my theory would be that each of us have conceived a different thought of what good is, and that certain people hold things like: “good for one’s self” as being better then: “good for a society,” and visa versa. If they believe that good is what benefits oneself their actions will reflect that principal. Which is where we see things like greed and excessive ambition come into play. If you believe what is good for society or humanity as a whole outweighs what is good just merely to you, your actions will reflect that too, (Gandhi, Mother Teresa, Caesar Chavez ect...).

Expanding even further, if you can control what other people consider the good, you can control the actions of those people, and you can see that with various cults, where brainwashing is seen, or you see it in the height of the Church in Europe and in Nazi Germany. Our desperation as a species to attain the good is so extreme that for some they become slaves to that attainment. Not all of course because as it has been proven with the fall of all these organizations, there are some in the world who naturally question and examine and begin to corrode the power that these organizations have over people's conception of the good.

And then I come back to the thing that all my social thoughts return to, which is education. This is where our concepts of the good are established, through our education. If we as a society wish to deem that the individual is the most important thing in the world, our education must reflect that and if we deem that it is the community that is to be relished then our education should build around that. Or we can leave it as it is, but at least we can acknowledge that it is not human nature to be greedy, it is human nature to try for goodness, almost a human obsession, that if we cater to correctly, can be rationalized and thereby make all our actions more purposeful. This is the true power of this theory: you can help push people to value something as "the good" or even the "greater good" you can control there actions, to a degree and if they step out of line you have them demonize themselves with guilt, not saying that I want to do this, but it is something that people can make themselves aware of.

I think the easiest way to understand what I am saying is to hypothetically imagine a human that knew everything, whether or not this is possible is irrelevant merely for hypothetical purposes can we assume this human exists. This human that knows everything, knows what is good, whether that good is individualistic, whether it is socialist, whether it is the worship of green onions, is really quite irrelevant. Since this human knows everything, and knows what good is, this human will never be wrong, can never do bad, because it is impossible for a person to consciously do something they know to be wrong and unbeneficial in anyway toward accomplishing “the good.” People who do this under the individualist sense would see hard working people in first world countries producing less product in more expensive working conditions and note the effect that has as direct to their profit margins. This person, whose believes what benefits himself is "the Good" will then see a third world country with little labour laws and no minimum wage, realize the increase in personal profit and will be forced by their definition of "the good" to comply with their justification to move that company. Some would call this taking advantage of this third world nation human nature, I would disagree. I believe that it is derived from their nature, though. There have been known selfless communities, or people who have existed, they acted on their view of a social "good" and it is just as natural for them to share as it is for the individualist to take. Most earlier and modern hunter gather societies emulate this. The bottom line is that if there is on "objective" good, it will either be found via luck or omnipotence, but humans as a species are driven to commit their "good or bad deeds" through their subjective understanding of what is good.

Some might wonder if there is a practicality to this, and I say there might be. In the understanding that a single principal may be the root to the nature of a human being, we may better appreciate the education we perform. For instance, the individualist principal that is found in our media, via movies, music, news, celebrities, may be the cause for the west "naturally" customizing itself to consumerism. Where a person who was born in a farming community, first nations reserve, Brazilian tribe, may find themselves inclined toward a community oriented good, this seeming almost natural to them to take care of other members of their community when down on their luck, to have community festivals dedicated to sharing (potlucks) and other various events. These seemingly opposite views of human nature, I believe can be encompassed in the theory that the very nature of humanity was the attainment of their good.
 

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to be human - to have humanity - is to enjoy empathetic compassion for everything.
 

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to be human - to have humanity - is to enjoy empathetic compassion for everything.
I disagree. I do not believe every human enjoys empathy. I believe every person thinks in some way or another that they are not wrong or bad.
 

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to determine what it is to be human; define and then reverse the meaning of 'inhuman'.

one human trait is to find fault and failing.... the opposite of a negative is a positive and somewhere in between the two, is the 'truth'.
 
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