hey all these are really rare. stop being made long ago. i have a couple of the prolines, which are the smooth ones,. and i also have some of the ones with the finger grooves. i cant remember what htey are called,. i cant get any pics up on here,. but if u want to see them. giv me ur email and i will send u some pics. these are brand new and very hard to come by,. so make me an offer and we will go from there,. thanks all.