Is it time Dave Nonis considered trading the Sedins?

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gordfish

Discussion Starter · Mar 13, 2008

The assumption around Vancouver is that Dave Nonis will go into the summer looking to make a significant move that will change the look of his offense. If the assumption is true, and Nonis is still unwilling to part with his youth, then the time may have come where he needs to consider moving the Sedins.

And if you really think about it, the time for that move may never be better.

Daniel and Henrik are still in their prime. They'll turn 28 next preseason. And they have a year left on their deals that pay them 3.575 million each.

So the questions are, do you move them if you're Nonis, and what do move them for?

If you do move them, you start with the obvious on the return; a young, bonafide number one centre. From there you could go in a number of directions, depending on who the centre you are getting is, whether or not you bring Morrison and/or Naslund back into the fold, who you are looking at through free agency, where you think your youth is at this point, and what your expectations are for next season.

If you resign Morrison and Naslund, you could look for a winger you think would fit well with Morrison on a second line, assuming the centre you are getting would be a good fit with Naslund on the top line.

If you are planning on cutting either or both loose, you probably look for a top scoring winger in the deal and plan on using Kesler, Burrows and Pyatt as your second line.

If you think your lineup will be bolstered by the insertion of one or two prospects next year, eg Grabner, Shirikov or Simek, then you could look to add another solid young forward and a first round pick and look to add a mid range scorer through free agency to give you some insurance.

The first name I'll throw out there is Lecavalier. If Strachan's 'inside information' is true and Lecavalier is planning to ask for a trade to a more traditional hockey market, then that's where you start.

So...what do you all think?

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puck_monkey

· #2 · Mar 13, 2008

I think it would be good. Seeing the Sedins play for years and I have noticed they don't have that hard nose play and usually left that to the other guy on their line - right now there's no one unless you want to break up Kesler and Burrows. I'd also throw in Naslund to trade as the youngs guys seem to be hitting their stride and I'd rather resign a center (Morrision).

From your Yotes thread, I do think there is some kinda battle in the dressing room between tha new leadership style (Mitchell / Luongo) vs the old (Naslund / Sedins) and IMO, I like the new more than the old - there's more passion for the game.

LightningGal

· #3 · Mar 14, 2008

Yes, they should be traded. They can provide some offense, but there are a lot better players out there. I would love to see more offense on the Canucks- that is what they need to be a Cup winning team.

flyerfan2

· #4 · Mar 14, 2008

Nonis should not be a part of anything the Canucks do in the future.

He has proven for to long now that he is not capeable of running the Canucks or any other nhl teams.

The guy is out of his league plain and simple.

puck_monkey

· #5 · Mar 14, 2008

flyerfan2 said:
Nonis should not be a part of anything the Canucks do in the future.

He has proven for to long now that he is not capeable of running the Canucks or any other nhl teams.

The guy is out of his league plain and simple.

I would like to see him get fired too. I wonder what he did as an assistant under Burke? Possibly nothing but get Brian his coffee?

Daryl Shilling

· #6 · Mar 14, 2008

puck_monkey said:
I would like to see him get fired too. I wonder what he did as an assistant under Burke? Possibly nothing but get Brian his coffee?

I don't know about Nonis specifically, but over time, Assistant GMs have come to do quite a bit of the contract negotiations with agents, especially when the GM is a "hockey man".

In this case, with Burke being an attorney, that was probably not a large function of Nonis' job.

Daryl

gordfish

Discussion Starter · #7 · Mar 14, 2008

Daryl Shilling said:
I don't know about Nonis specifically, but over time, Assistant GMs have come to do quite a bit of the contract negotiations with agents, especially when the GM is a "hockey man".

In this case, with Burke being an attorney, that was probably not a large function of Nonis' job.

Daryl

Actually, contract negotiations were Nonis' primary function as the assistant here. The other was running the Manitoba Moose.

datsun260z

· #8 · Mar 15, 2008

gordfish said:
The assumption around Vancouver is that Dave Nonis will go into the summer looking to make a significant move that will change the look of his offense. If the assumption is true, and Nonis is still unwilling to part with his youth, then the time may have come where he needs to consider moving the Sedins.

And if you really think about it, the time for that move may never be better.

Daniel and Henrik are still in their prime. They'll turn 28 next preseason. And they have a year left on their deals that pay them 3.575 million each.

So the questions are, do you move them if you're Nonis, and what do move them for?

If you do move them, you start with the obvious on the return; a young, bonafide number one centre. From there you could go in a number of directions, depending on who the centre you are getting is, whether or not you bring Morrison and/or Naslund back into the fold, who you are looking at through free agency, where you think your youth is at this point, and what your expectations are for next season.

If you resign Morrison and Naslund, you could look for a winger you think would fit well with Morrison on a second line, assuming the centre you are getting would be a good fit with Naslund on the top line.

If you are planning on cutting either or both loose, you probably look for a top scoring winger in the deal and plan on using Kesler, Burrows and Pyatt as your second line.

If you think your lineup will be bolstered by the insertion of one or two prospects next year, eg Grabner, Shirikov or Simek, then you could look to add another solid young forward and a first round pick and look to add a mid range scorer through free agency to give you some insurance.

The first name I'll throw out there is Lecavalier. If Strachan's 'inside information' is true and Lecavalier is planning to ask for a trade to a more traditional hockey market, then that's where you start.

So...what do you all think?

Great topic gord, I haven't had time these days it seems to really get into this one. Man! I'm up to my ears...:y

Anyway, let me put it to you this way. As I was reading through your lead off post I immediately got to thinking...."k, I'd do most anything to land Vinny"...and then you mentioned it. I'd swap em both for Vinny and I'd toss in Schneider too! And this team would finally have a top line top end elite center.

The I'd immediately re-sign Naslund to play with him and Mo to center the second line.....

aaaa in a perfect world eh..

RB

groleau97

· #9 · Mar 18, 2008

Wow, haven't been on hear in a while.

Anyways, as much as I would like the idea of getting a Vinny type player for the Sedins, I'm not sure if I would let them go.

I guess it depends on what type of raise they are looking for after their contracts expire. Because as of now, we have two 70-80 points players for 3.75 mil each, that's one hell of a bargain.

But like I said, if we find out in advance what their demands will be and the right deal comes along, I wouldn't be opposed to letting them go.

Nice to be back, cheers. :beer

Canuck

· #10 · Mar 20, 2008

First of all I want Nonis out because all hes done for this team is the Luongo deal, then what else? He is still yet to address our offensive needs and I think we need a new GM. Wish we still had Burke.

I dont think we should trade the Sedins unless its absolutely nessecary and we are getting overpaid in return.

datsun260z

· #11 · Mar 21, 2008

Okay, a touch off topic and not directed at anyone in anyway....k. k.

It seems very popular these days to lynch Nonis cause he's done nothing but land Luongo....which we can argue for and against all night. My point here is this. Brad Richards so far has not made the Stars all THAT much better. After his fist night explosion in the big D he's pretty much done about the same as Daniel...correct me if I am wrong. IMO something has to be said for what he has done too. And lets look at some of the brighter things he's managed while at the helm of the Canucks.

He traded a perma-headache in Jason King for Ryan Shannon....most people hated the trade, your's truly did not. Good trade, I think we can all see that now.

He signed Burrows long term...most people didn't care about that, I am sure we can all see it's value today.

He managed his way through the Kesler offer sheet situation AND then managed to resign the kid afterward to a two year deal at a reduced price. And at 1.75 per I am thinking he's a killer deal at that price.

He signed Bieksa to a three year deal before his stock hits the roof. Which contrary to recent belief....WILL happen.

He traded an un-signable asset in Cooke for what looks to be a very good and effective guy in Matt Pettinger.

Mayson Raymond plays on this team. Nuff said.

He landed Mitchell.

He extended Salo, most don't like it but it's hard to argue with Salo's numbers when he's in the line up.

He's made some decent waiver wire pick ups in Weaver and Cowan. I know everyone hates Cowan these days but not me...I wont get into it here. Bottom line is, like him or not today, there was a time when Vancity was about to change broadway station to the "Brabarion" Staion.

He signed Arron Miller to a mil and a half....I think he's been an excellent player for us especially stabilizing our young d while the injury bug had her way with our D line.

He signed a very good back up in Curtis Sanford.

Not trying to insight a riot, just pointing out that even I need to recall some of these better accomplishments. I guess what I am saying is sometimes bringing in "that guy" can really rock the entire boat and screw things up but good. IMO, you need two things to win. Okay, three. A LOT of Canadians, a GREAT goalie and....to be a TEAM. That's who wins every year.

IF there is a parade this year, I expect to meet some of you for beers! :bt:beer:laugh::laugh: Mrs. Badcock and I will be there.

RB

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Dgill

· #12 · Mar 21, 2008

RustyBadcock said:
Okay, three. A LOT of Canadians, a GREAT goalie and....to be a TEAM. That's who wins every year.

You heard hear first from RB, Detroit will not win the Cup.

datsun260z

· #13 · Mar 21, 2008

Dgill said:
You heard hear first from RB, Detroit will not win the Cup.

Hardy har har. :n:laugh:

Seriously, I have my doubts they will. They haven't won since when? With their current formula....

Vancouver Jersey final baby! And THAT my friend, is not the first time I've said it. :cheeky4:

RB

gordfish

Discussion Starter · #14 · Mar 21, 2008

Dgill said:
You heard hear first from RB, Detroit will not win the Cup.

Well, the Wings do have history on their side. There has never been more than 4 seasons played between President winners capturing the Cup in the same year. We've now had four played since the Wings won both in 2002. Ergo, history tells us it is the Wings' year.

nhldave

· #15 · Mar 22, 2008

Trade away the Sedins? Keep Naslund and Morrison? I think that's backwards.
The Sedins are in their prime and can offer at least 7 or 8 great years. Naslund is 35 and not even sure he wants to play next year. Morrison just looks lost out there, not a guy I would want to hang my hat on.
Giving up the Sedins for someone like Lecalvier might make sense if there were someone like a St Louis for Lecalvier to play with in Vancouver.
There is no need to tear out the offensive heart of the team in the hopes of improving the offense.

the flying moose

· #16 · Mar 23, 2008

He wouldn't consider trading them before the trade deadline so I don't see him considering trading them during the summer.

Canucks fan 1141

· #17 · Apr 19, 2008

I cant see him trading the sedins. Unless he got a top goal scorer in the league i dont see it happening. I dont think that other teams will trade top talent for them right now. Sure there good but their not like a lecavier.

gordfish

Discussion Starter · #18 · Apr 21, 2008 (Edited)

I think if the next GM was smart, he'd set the table to move the Sedins at the next trade deadline, whatever direction he decides to take.

gordfish

Discussion Starter · #19 · Apr 27, 2008

Now that Gillis has taken over and clearly doesn't feel the Sedins are top line players that he can build his offense around moving forward, I'd suggest he offer both of them to the Lightning for Stamkos.

nhldave

· #20 · Apr 28, 2008

gordfish said:
Now that Gillis has taken over and clearly doesn't feel the Sedins are top line players that he can build his offense around moving forward, I'd suggest he offer both of them to the Lightning for Stamkos.

That would be a great start, trade away the only offence the Canucks have when his prededecessor got canned for not having enough offense.:thumbsdow

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