[Sherek X]

Canucks Off-Season Thread 2009

Canucks season ends in Game Six to the Hawks.Now that it is done and over what changes would you Canuck fans like to see made on this team.​

Do you think the Sedin's are gone?​

 

[flyerfan2]

Resign the Sedin's however if they want more than 5.5 mil per season each then say good bye.

Ohlund i think it is time for him to move on .

Sundin let him walk or retire or what ever but the money he is paid could be better spent.

Pyatt needs to be traded he doesn't use his big size well and isn't the fastest guy around.

Salo, well he has a no trade clause so i don't think he'll be going any where soon.:thumbsdow

The rest of the team should be safe and are a good group to add around.


Luongo ??

He's choked big time twice now in elimination games so him i'm not sure on but one thing that jumps out is the higher the stakes so far in his career the worse he plays.

 

[puck_monkey]

Luongo will probably not go for an extenstion to his contract and the Nuck's will shop him to Montreal (his hometown). Coming the other way is some young talent that will include Carey Price.

 

[KB in Kelowna]

Canucks season ends in Game Six to the Hawks.Now that it is done and over what changes would you Canuck fans like to see made on this team.​

Do you think the sisters are gone?​

I assume you want to start a serious discussion here. Then why start by calling the Sedin’s the sisters? Why start using an infantile pejorative name better suited to Trash Talk? Not only that but it is a name that implies they are weak and girlish. Yet even a casual glance at their statistics shows them to be remarkably consistent players, seldom injured who produce at a point per game rate and are not liabilities in their own end

I can take justified criticism of the Canuck’s players and organization. I do find it tiresome and boorish to read taunts better suited to a school yard or sand box. Give me a reasoned analysis, give me objectivity, back up your statements with facts based on recent performance, not something that the stature of limitations ran out on 5 to 10 years ago. Be a fan of your own team but don’t trot out tired old clichés that merely serve to expose your own ignorance and bias. Think before you post and try to be objective.

I will openly admit to engaging in some of this taunting behaviour in response to what has been posted. And responding to it only serves drag me down into the quagmire I am now protesting. However your title says moderator. Act like one! Take the responsibility or the initiative to raise the level of discussion, to inject some objectivity and intelligence into the tone of the thread or of the forum as a whole. For the record it is just not you, but others around here who are as guilty of perpetrating the crap that passes for discussion around here.

On to the actual question. I would re-sign the Sedin’s. I think that a 3 term would be good. Long term deals will hand cuff a team and I am not a fan of these long term contracts. As I said earlier the Sedin’s have both been point per game players for several seasons with a rotating cast of wingers each of who have been of varying quality. Most nights they face the opposition’s top physical and shut down players and still perform effectively and consistently. They are rarely injured and have worked very hard to improve their game, be it skating or Hank’s effectiveness in the face off circle. I think Henrik is a better play maker, and my knock on Daniel is that he has yet to score 40 goals in the season which in this version of the NHL is the gauge for elite players.

What the Canuck management needs to address is the void of not having an effective puck moving defenseman, to lead the rush or break outs from their own end. The lack of effective tape to tape passing was a huge problem in the Chicago series especially on the power play.

 

[Sherek X]

I assume you want to start a serious discussion here. Then why start by calling the Sedin’s the sisters? Why start using an infantile pejorative name better suited to Trash Talk? Not only that but it is a name that implies they are weak and girlish. Yet even a casual glance at their statistics shows them to be remarkably consistent players, seldom injured who produce at a point per game rate and are not liabilities in their own end

I can take justified criticism of the Canuck’s players and organization. I do find it tiresome and boorish to read taunts better suited to a school yard or sand box. Give me a reasoned analysis, give me objectivity, back up your statements with facts based on recent performance, not something that the stature of limitations ran out on 5 to 10 years ago. Be a fan of your own team but don’t trot out tired old clichés that merely serve to expose your own ignorance and bias. Think before you post and try to be objective.

I will openly admit to engaging in some of this taunting behaviour in response to what has been posted. And responding to it only serves drag me down into the quagmire I am now protesting. However your title says moderator. Act like one! Take the responsibility or the initiative to raise the level of discussion, to inject some objectivity and intelligence into the tone of the thread or of the forum as a whole. For the record it is just not you, but others around here who are as guilty of perpetrating the crap that passes for discussion around here.

On to the actual question. I would re-sign the Sedin’s. I think that a 3 term would be good. Long term deals will hand cuff a team and I am not a fan of these long term contracts. As I said earlier the Sedin’s have both been point per game players for several seasons with a rotating cast of wingers each of who have been of varying quality. Most nights they face the opposition’s top physical and shut down players and still perform effectively and consistently. They are rarely injured and have worked very hard to improve their game, be it skating or Hank’s effectiveness in the face off circle. I think Henrik is a better play maker, and my knock on Daniel is that he has yet to score 40 goals in the season which in this version of the NHL is the gauge for elite players.

What the Canuck management needs to address is the void of not having an effective puck moving defenseman, to lead the rush or break outs from their own end. The lack of effective tape to tape passing was a huge problem in the Chicago series especially on the power play.

Are they both worth the 5.5 mil a season?
Hank might be worht the 3-4 I'd say 2-3 mil for Daniel. If these guys really want to play for your team they should take the home town discount.

And I'm sorry to offend you and others I didn't really mean harm, allow me to correct my post.

 

[Sherek X]

Luongo will probably not go for an extenstion to his contract and the Nuck's will shop him to Montreal (his hometown). Coming the opther way is some young talent that will included Carey Price.

The Canucks better give him a nice long extenstion if they ever want to make it this far again in the playoffs.

 

[datsun260z]

I assume you want to start a serious discussion here. Then why start by calling the Sedin’s the sisters? Why start using an infantile pejorative name better suited to Trash Talk? Not only that but it is a name that implies they are weak and girlish. Yet even a casual glance at their statistics shows them to be remarkably consistent players, seldom injured who produce at a point per game rate and are not liabilities in their own end

I can take justified criticism of the Canuck’s players and organization. I do find it tiresome and boorish to read taunts better suited to a school yard or sand box. Give me a reasoned analysis, give me objectivity, back up your statements with facts based on recent performance, not something that the stature of limitations ran out on 5 to 10 years ago. Be a fan of your own team but don’t trot out tired old clichés that merely serve to expose your own ignorance and bias. Think before you post and try to be objective.

I will openly admit to engaging in some of this taunting behaviour in response to what has been posted. And responding to it only serves drag me down into the quagmire I am now protesting. However your title says moderator. Act like one! Take the responsibility or the initiative to raise the level of discussion, to inject some objectivity and intelligence into the tone of the thread or of the forum as a whole. For the record it is just not you, but others around here who are as guilty of perpetrating the crap that passes for discussion around here.

On to the actual question. I would re-sign the Sedin’s. I think that a 3 term would be good. Long term deals will hand cuff a team and I am not a fan of these long term contracts. As I said earlier the Sedin’s have both been point per game players for several seasons with a rotating cast of wingers each of who have been of varying quality. Most nights they face the opposition’s top physical and shut down players and still perform effectively and consistently. They are rarely injured and have worked very hard to improve their game, be it skating or Hank’s effectiveness in the face off circle. I think Henrik is a better play maker, and my knock on Daniel is that he has yet to score 40 goals in the season which in this version of the NHL is the gauge for elite players.

What the Canuck management needs to address is the void of not having an effective puck moving defenseman, to lead the rush or break outs from their own end. The lack of effective tape to tape passing was a huge problem in the Chicago series especially on the power play.

Nicely said KB, as always from top to bottom. :bt

 

[KB in Kelowna]

Are they both worth the 5.5 mil a season?
Hank might be worht the 3-4 I'd say 2-3 mil for Daniel. If these guys really want to play for your team they should take the home town discount.

And I'm sorry to offend you and others I didn't really mean harm, allow me to correct my post.

It did not so much offend me, as disappoint me. Like I said I can take reasoned criticism of the Organization and players. I maybe a fan but I don't drink the kool aid..In fact some of the harshest criticism of the Canucks can be found in here if people truly take the time to read and think. I just think all of us can do a little more to raise the tone around here.

For the record I think your appraisal of the money the Sedin's are worth is low. I suspect that Brian Burke, for one, might dangle more than that in front of them. As I said they are each point per game producers over the past few seasons, and are remarkably resiliant despite lining up against the opposition's top shut down/physical players on most nights. Montreal and Anaheim are also rumored potential destinations for them.

 

[puck_monkey]

The Canucks better give him a nice long extenstion if they ever want to make it this far again in the playoffs.

I hope they do too but it's really up to Luongo. There is rumours about his wife wanting to be closer to her family in Florida making it logical that Montreal will be in the picture. Cross your fingers and hope Roberto signs on the dotted line.

 

[Sherek X]

For the record I think your appraisal of the money the Sedin's are worth is low. I suspect that Brian Burke, for one, might dangle more than that in front of them. As I said they are each point per game producers over the past few seasons, and are remarkably resiliant despite lining up against the opposition's top shut down/physical players on most nights. Montreal and Anaheim are also rumored potential destinations for them.

Who's saying they are going to stay together they could be split up for all that we know.

 

[flyerfan2]

Who's saying they are going to stay together they could be split up for all that we know.

I can't see that happening.

The Sedins hold all the cards on this and will play their careers together.

They will sign a contract along those lines that they are a package deal.

They are both free agents this summer and will sign together you can count on it.

 

[Sherek X]

I can't see that happening.

The Sedins hold all the cards on this and will play their careers together.

They will sign a contract along those lines that they are a package deal.

They are both free agents this summer and will sign together you can count on it.

Fair enough, what's your take on Luongo then does he stay or does he go?

 

[flyerfan2]

Fair enough, what's your take on Luongo then does he stay or does he go?

I think he go's when his contract is up and that is why i would trade him and get something in return instead of letting him go for nothing.

I'd like to be wrong on this but i think with it well known{if you can believe media reports) that his wife wants to be closer to florida the writing is on the wall.

 

[KB in Kelowna]

Fair enough, what's your take on Luongo then does he stay or does he go?

You only trade Luongo if you can't get an extension done. Then you make the best hockey deal available. Not just a name like Lecavailler but a package of players who can help now and prospects to build around. Cory Schnieder has been very good for the Manitoba Moose in the AHL playoffs and may be ready for the NHL. He won't replace Luongo, but if you have the right nucleous in front of him he could keep the team competative.

 

[MaCabe]

If Vancouver loses Luongo next season I think the main issue Vancouver will have over the next three seasons will be shoring up an inconsistant defence.Luongo has made Vancouver's defence look better then it is for a few seasons now and I think that the Organization will be in for some bad news if Luongo goes.

Schnieder is a great goalie at the moment and he has what it takes to be a top 10 goalie or better in the league, but if Luongo goes and the GAA sits a goal or so higher in the following season I think the pressure might break the prospect irresevibly.

I think Gillies has made a decision already about Luongo, and how he needs some security if Roberto takes a hike, and if that is the case I think that Vancouver will be making a move for strong two-way defenceman, not just a puck mover. Guys I think they could eye this off-season are going to be the Neidermyers (if they still want to play), Seidenberg, Boyton.

As for the peoples to resign, I would think that they would have to sign the Sedins again, they are the Canucks offense. With the development of Hogdson, I'd imagine that the Canucks will not need Sundin for that second line role, and that Ohlund is going to be gone.

Holes in the roster are the same it has been in Vancouver for awhile:
Depth scoring
Puck-Moving Defence

and if they lose Luongo:

Defence in general.

 

[MaCabe]

as for not paying the \Sedins 5.5 million a peice:

the two combined for

53 goals 111 assits and 164 points

at a 11 million a season that's not bad at all when comparing say to Pittsburgh who will spend over 14 million a season on Crosby and Staal for:


55 Goals, 97 assists and 152 points

 

[VICE™]

as for not paying the \Sedins 5.5 million a peice:

the two combined for

53 goals 111 assits and 164 points

at a 11 million a season that's not bad at all when comparing say to Pittsburgh who will spend over 14 million a season on Crosby and Staal for:


55 Goals, 97 assists and 152 points

The Sedin's are pretty much an $11 million super-player capable of scoring 160 - 180 points per season. I don't think any other players will give you that kind of value, which is why Vancouver should be trying everything to sign them.

Without them, the team won't have much offense, if any at all.

 

[Sloaner 11 87]

i think that they should put an offer in on Jbo. he could really help the defense.

 

[Sloaner 11 87]

oh and also try and get luongo resigned. hes a huge part of this franchise.

 

[Penguinslover]

Hi Guys,Loungo I think will be traded due to the cap salary available and the Canucks are losing a few key players that they have to sign in order to keep this club from dying out,I say bye luongo and resign the sedins because I hope they become captain or Assistant one day in the franchise of the Vancouver Canucks