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Ovechkin-Trottier-Datsyuk
Shanahan-Fedorov-Hull

Lidstrom-Potvin
Robinson-Langway

Hasek

I've got Ovechkin and Trottier on my team for the same reason that Charlio does. Datsyuk can play any forward position, can score and pass, and plays excellent defense. And if they don't shut down that first line, Lidstrom-Potvin and Hasek are up to the challenge.

Shanahan provides some nice size and scoring ability on the left wing, while Fedorov is probably one of the best two-way forwards to ever play the game. Hull is there to take advantage of the defensively lax Paul Kariya. And then you have a pairing of Robinson-Langway, who I think would shut down any combination of forwards. And Hasek lets nothing by.

My team wins in 6.

Also, in what world would Chelios be on the second pairing behind Pronger? Same style of game, but Chelios was much better at it.
 

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Ovechkin-Trottier-Datsyuk
Shanahan-Fedorov-Hull

Lidstrom-Potvin
Robinson-Langway

Hasek

I've got Ovechkin and Trottier on my team for the same reason that Charlio does. Datsyuk can play any forward position, can score and pass, and plays excellent defense. And if they don't shut down that first line, Lidstrom-Potvin and Hasek are up to the challenge.

Shanahan provides some nice size and scoring ability on the left wing, while Fedorov is probably one of the best two-way forwards to ever play the game. Hull is there to take advantage of the defensively lax Paul Kariya. And then you have a pairing of Robinson-Langway, who I think would shut down any combination of forwards. And Hasek lets nothing by.

My team wins in 6.

Also, in what world would Chelios be on the second pairing behind Pronger? Same style of game, but Chelios was much better at it.
Robinson is so overrated...just kidding. Good team, good reasonings!
 

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Yeah, if I'm going to have to shut down Gretzky and Lemieux, I'm taking Trottier and Fedorov over Messier. But since you know so much about hockey, how about you post your own team.
 

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How about...

Andreychuk-Sakic-Bossy
Zetterberg-Yzerman-Hull

Potvin-Murphy
Niedermayer-Macinnis

Belfour
Forwards: Two forwards that are responsible in their own that can pass the puck and are good penalty killers with pure and natural goal scorers Hull and Bossy.

Defense: One that can pass and make smart decisions with a partner that can bomb it from the point, Potvin and Macinnis. Also left and right combinations from both sides amkes it tougher on penalty killers taht may be stronger from one side.

Goaltender: Kept it simple, decent technique (strong stance and posture including spine angle, good lateral transfer rotation, decent save techniques, good gap control etc) . But, it really could have been forty different guys in the modern era only. Honest answer, not 'trolling".
I don't know about Andreychuk. Good scorer and later on he became more defensive but that was well after his productive years. I think his speed is the biggest issue.

I like Potvin the and Murphy pairing. Murphy is often overlooked. He was run out of Toronto and yet was a top D-man both before and after he came here.
 

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Ovechkin-Trottier-Datsyuk
Shanahan-Fedorov-Hull

Lidstrom-Potvin
Robinson-Langway

Hasek

I've got Ovechkin and Trottier on my team for the same reason that Charlio does. Datsyuk can play any forward position, can score and pass, and plays excellent defense. And if they don't shut down that first line, Lidstrom-Potvin and Hasek are up to the challenge.

Shanahan provides some nice size and scoring ability on the left wing, while Fedorov is probably one of the best two-way forwards to ever play the game. Hull is there to take advantage of the defensively lax Paul Kariya. And then you have a pairing of Robinson-Langway, who I think would shut down any combination of forwards. And Hasek lets nothing by.

My team wins in 6.
Lidstrom and Potvin would be so sick. Robinson and Langway are too.
Don't think Shanny and HUll will win to many races for the puck against Kariya and Selanne though.

Also, in what world would Chelios be on the second pairing behind Pronger? Same style of game, but Chelios was much better at it.
Just the way the pairings went. I wanted a bigger body to go with Bourque and a more responsible partner for Leetch.
 

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Lidstrom and Potvin would be so sick. Robinson and Langway are too.
Don't think Shanny and HUll will win to many races for the puck against Kariya and Selanne though.


Just the way the pairings went. I wanted a bigger body to go with Bourque and a more responsible partner for Leetch.
I never thought of Shanny as a slow skater. Maybe towards the end of his career, but certainly not his peak. He played his role fantastically on the Red Wings, playing the left wing lock system. Brett Hull was never about defense, and I don't have him there for that. I have him there because Kariya was never great at keeping track of his man on the half boards, and Hull built his career at being elusive on the half boards and around the slot. And Fedorov could skate with the best of them.

I understand the more responsible partner for Leetch, but Chelios played every bit as tough a game as Pronger, and I'd say he was more effective at it. I hated the guy with a passion for that very reason, before he was traded to the Wings.
 

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I don't know about Andreychuk. Good scorer and later on he became more defensive but that was well after his productive years. I think his speed is the biggest issue.

I like Potvin the and Murphy pairing. Murphy is often overlooked. He was run out of Toronto and yet was a top D-man both before and after he came here.
Good point on Andreychuk.
 

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I never thought of Shanny as a slow skater. Maybe towards the end of his career, but certainly not his peak. He played his role fantastically on the Red Wings, playing the left wing lock system. Brett Hull was never about defense, and I don't have him there for that. I have him there because Kariya was never great at keeping track of his man on the half boards, and Hull built his career at being elusive on the half boards and around the slot. And Fedorov could skate with the best of them.

I understand the more responsible partner for Leetch, but Chelios played every bit as tough a game as Pronger, and I'd say he was more effective at it. I hated the guy with a passion for that very reason, before he was traded to the Wings.
In all reality we are talking about who would be a better partner for Bourque? Or Leetch?

The choices are PRonger and Chelios, so there is really no wrong answer.

Good point on Andreychuk.
I hate to seem like I am harping on Speed here but the I picked the 2nd line specifically for it's speed.

Kayira and Selanne were both top 5 scorers at their peak. Selanne I think was 2nd to Jagr twice. They finished 2nd-3rd one year. That was with Steve Rucchin as their center. I'm putting Mario Lemieux between them. Personally I think this line is more dangerous than the 1st line.

Imagine 2 speedy gifted linemates than can steal a puck in the neutral zone go in 1-on-1 and hit Mario Lemieux coming in late right in the slot. Or on the flip side Imagine Mario Lemieux setting up 1-timers for both Kariya and Selanne.

I know size and physicality are how to beat this line but if you can't keep up this line will eat you alive.
 

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In all reality we are talking about who would be a better partner for Bourque? Or Leetch?

The choices are PRonger and Chelios, so there is really no wrong answer.



I hate to seem like I am harping on Speed here but the I picked the 2nd line specifically for it's speed.

Kayira and Selanne were both top 5 scorers at their peak. Selanne I think was 2nd to Jagr twice. They finished 2nd-3rd one year. That was with Steve Rucchin as their center. I'm putting Mario Lemieux between them. Personally I think this line is more dangerous than the 1st line.

Imagine 2 speedy gifted linemates than can steal a puck in the neutral zone go in 1-on-1 and hit Mario Lemieux coming in late right in the slot. Or on the flip side Imagine Mario Lemieux setting up 1-timers for both Kariya and Selanne.

I know size and physicality are how to beat this line but if you can't keep up this line will eat you alive.
I think a line of Shanny-Fedorov-Hull does a good job of keeping up with that line when combined with Robinson- Langway. Langway would never be caught out of position and Robinson's skating was superb, especially considering his size. I just think that overall, you aren't going to have a lot of luck getting past that set of 5, and they are still going to be able to take advantage of any defensive lapses. But if we want, lets throw Bossy on RW instead of Hull. Same effect, really.

We'll step off the Pronger/ Chelios discussion, since I'm biased and just hate Pronger, and it doesn't have a lot to do with this thread.
 

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I think a line of Shanny-Fedorov-Hull does a good job of keeping up with that line when combined with Robinson- Langway. Langway would never be caught out of position and Robinson's skating was superb, especially considering his size. I just think that overall, you aren't going to have a lot of luck getting past that set of 5, and they are still going to be able to take advantage of any defensive lapses. But if we want, lets throw Bossy on RW instead of Hull. Same effect, really.
I think a Lidstrom - Niedermayer combo would be the best pairing against Kariya nd Selanne. One guy who can keep up and one guy who is actually faster than they are. You really don't need to be a bruiser to handle either one.

SO let's step it up a notch.
 

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I think a Lidstrom - Niedermayer combo would be the best pairing against Kariya nd Selanne. One guy who can keep up and one guy who is actually faster than they are. You really don't need to be a bruiser to handle either one.

SO let's step it up a notch.
I've never been all that big on Niedermayer, in terms of all-time. Especially if we are comparing him to guys like Potvin, Robinson, or Langway. All would do a better job against any line than Niedermayer would. To me it's more about positioning than speed, and I don't think any of those guys is likely to be left behind anyways.
 

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New Challenge Team:

New Challenge Team:

Kovalchuk - Gretzky - Iginla
Neely - Lemieux - Jagr

Lidstrom - Bourque
Chelios - Pronger

Roy


Added toughness to both top lines. Basically the Winners of the Norris for the last 20+yrs on the blueline.
 

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We are all a bunch of tool bags for not mentioning the best player of all time. And if someone did mention him I apologize.

Some guy named Orr!

We should all be given a bath in dumb salts!
 

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We are all a bunch of tool bags for not mentioning the best player of all time. And if someone did mention him I apologize.

Some guy named Orr!

We should all be given a bath in dumb salts!
The arbitrary rules were after 1980 and Orr didn't make it to the 80's.

I think 1980 is kind of silly but what it really means is that some people just want to consider the players they saw play.
 

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The arbitrary rules were after 1980 and Orr didn't make it to the 80's.

I think 1980 is kind of silly but what it really means is that some people just want to consider the players they saw play.
Basically. IF you don't put a date on it some peole will be bringing up Richard and HUll or even go back to the 30's or 40's.

1980 still allows for guys like Trottier, Bossy, LaFleur, etc. without getting too crazy.
 
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