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2011 Off-season Thread

15015 Views 87 Replies 9 Participants Last post by  6298 what? Goaltending was less than average throughout the majority of the playoffs, but the simple fact of why this team didn't win in the playoffs was they didn't play the way they did from Oct 26 to Feb 16 where they went 34-10-4. After that, they went 9-9-7.

They started the season 3-4-1...then figured out how to play some of the best hockey in the league for 48 games (34-10-4), and then pooped in the bed and rolled in it for the remaining 26 games going 9-9-7, giving up the top spot in the East, limping into the playoffs, and then almost getting beat by the 7 seed Sabres.

You'd think the dominant game they played in Game 7 to beat the Sabres would give them the momentum and motivation going into the second round against a team they struggled against this year and they came out as the definition of flat and never really got it going. They played solid in Game 2, but didn't get the job done in OT, then sucked in Games 3 & 4. So, the season is over.

What's the answer?

They were one of, if not the most dominant teams in the NHL for 48 games...with the same two goaltenders they took into the playoffs. Did the goaltenders have some soft games? Sure. But did the rest of the team leave them out to dry in several of them? Absolutely.

I don't think this is a coaching issue. I think the players need to look solely at themselves. Didn't help that they were missing Pronger for the playoffs and Carter for a few games.

A consistent veteran goaltender to mentor Bob couldn't help, but you don't get much better of a teammate than Boosh Bag.

I think Leino and Zherdev are two of the big question marks for UFAs. Boosh is on that list as well, but I can't see him coming back...not after game 3.

For as much as the Flyers dominate when they get the their forecheck going, there were way too many times I saw Zherdev, Leino, and Versteeg, all on different lines, try to walk the puck in and end up turning it over rather than dumping and chasing.

I'm hoping Versteeg is much better next year with a full Flyers training camp under his belt.

Thoughts? Suggestions?
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Let's see who will be gone:

Carcillo -- his style of play is done so Lavy won't want him
Leino -- played himself out of town
Zherdev -- not even a question that he is gone
O'Donnell -- gone probably retiring
Boosh -- thanks but so long

Move a Carle and that frees up 3.4. Move Leighton to the minors and that's 1,550,000 off. So that's around 5 mil to work with. Either Vokoun signs at a cheap rate to play for a contender and he really can't ask for a high price because of his age. Or try and get Bryzgalov in here. And try to move Versteeg. Homer has to see by now that goaltending is our weakest link. With Giroux, JVR, Richards, Carter, Briere, Hartnell, Powe, Shelley, Betts, Nodl and some Phantoms, we will be ok. Pronger should be healthy. Timonen, not sure if he will call it a career. Coburn, Mezaros and give some Phantoms a look like Kevin Marshall.
Just have to wait and see.
I'm interested to see how they handle Leino and Zherdev...the two of them and Versteeg all seemed to struggle with the concept of dump and chase and don't make blind passes to no one. Then again, there were times were all three excelled...usually when playing the dump and chase game the Flyers are built for and that's how Lavy wants them to play.

I think Leino's price tag will have to drop after how he played in the playoffs and it really makes me glad they didn't sign him to an extension during the season.

We'll see on him.

Zherdev? Too many games scratched. He had times where he was on fire and other times he was barely noticeable. He played his best games when he was skating hard and playing physical. I don't think he's a 35-40 goal scorer on any team in the NHL. I think he's probably good for 20-30 if he plays 75-80 games and works hard all of them. Too many ifs, but I wouldn't be upset to see him come back at a cheaper price tag than his 2 million from this year.

I don't think I want Bryzer here...he's not done anything in the playoffs albeit being on a Phoenix team can't always be the best, but then again look how the Flyers played this year. I think the goaltending was marginal most of the time.

I can't say the goaltending shook the confidence of the rest of the team, but at the same time, the team just didn't play the same as they did during that 48 game stretch where they won 34 of them. It seems they got comfortable being average since they had locked a playoff spot, but never adjusted for the playoff intensity.

I just don't see how a team that scratched and clawed its way in last year made it to the Cup finals and then a team that dominated for a large portion of the season couldn't get it going in the playoffs at all this year.

Carcillo is a player I like, unfortunately his reputation is his biggest problem. He can't draw power plays because he's constantly getting called for matching minors because of his history...then he pulls a stunt like last night after being in control for the entire playoffs...he blatantly cross checks a dude in the back as he's trying to limp off the ice. WTF are you thinking?

The Flyers have a better record when Carcillo skates, but I think his overall effectiveness is way down, mostly due to that reputation.

I thought Boosh might earn himself a contract after finishing off Buffalo, but he was just brutal 3 out of 4. I mean, even Game 2 where he looked good...that second goal has to be a save. Had he made that save and the rest of the game went according to schedule, they win 2-1 and go to Boston tied rather than in a 2-0 hole. I still doubt they would have won the series after how they responded in Game 3 by being in a 0-2 hole 63 seconds into the game, but that's another story.

There's just so much that went wrong, but after seeing the end of the season and the Buffalo series, I can't say I'm surprised they're out already.

Whatever they do, they need to address the crease. They lived on their 4-5 goals per game for a long time during the season and clearly, that's not always going to be there (2 shutouts against during the Sabres series, and under 2 goals per game average for the Boston series).

They have to figure out that goaltender situation. I'm still convinced this team has what it needs to win the Cup next year, IF IF IF they pay the taxes for a goaltender who is capable of pitching a shutout once in a while.
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Last I heard that was the deal with Pronger, but the herniated disc was leading to groin problems? I can't keep up.

I read today Betts, Meszaros, Richards, Versteeg, Leighton (I think that was all of them) will undergo surgery and Pronger and Carter will be reevaluated tomorrow to see if they need it. Talk about being banged up.
I just read about these issues here:
The Philadelphia Flyers announced that they have acquired the rights to goaltender Ilya Bryzgalov (breez-GAH-lahf, IHL-yah) from the Phoenix Coyotes in exchange for LW Matt Clackson, the Flyers’ 3rd round draft choice in 2012 and a conditional draft choice, according to general manager Paul Holmgren.

Bryzgalov, 30, appeared in 68 games for the Coyotes last season, his fourth with the club. He posted a 36-20-10 record, a 2.48 goals-against average and a .921 save percentage while recording seven shutouts. He was also a runner-up for the Vezina Trophy following the 2009-10 season. Bryzgalov was acquired by Phoenix off waivers from the Anaheim Ducks on November 17, 2007.

Bryzgalov was a member of Anaheim’s 2007 Stanley Cup championship squad along with current Flyers defensemen Chris Pronger and Sean O’Donnell. He appeared in 27 games that season, posting a 10-8-6-1 record with a 2.47 GAA and .907 save percentage, and was 3-1 with a 2.24 GAA and .922 save percentage in five Stanley Cup Playoff appearances en route to the championship.
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This is one of the craziest off-seasons in recent history for the Flyers. They're going to be a completely different team this coming year. I haven't been able to read much on this lately as I had PRK surgery on June 23rd and things are still blurry.

I don't like the price on Jagr's contract. Is the plan to let Zherdev and Carcillo walk? What's up with Shelley? I was surprised to see Powe traded.

Boucher is off to Carolina. I heard rumors of Erik Cole coming to Philly.
Well, they better plan on a chemistry camp prior to training camp.
Wow...big changes this off-season:

Richards (traded)
Carter (traded)
O'Donnell (FA)
Carcillo (FA)
Leino (FA)
Versteeg (traded)
Powe (traded)
Boucher (FA)

Braydon Schenn (From LA for Richards)
Wayne Simmonds (From LA for Richards)
Sean Couturier (8th overall pick in 2011, pick came from Columbus for Carter)
Nick Cousins (68th overall, 3rd rounder in 2011, pick came from Columbus for Carter)
2nd Rounder in either 2012 or 2013 (for Versteeg)
3rd Rounder in 2012 (for Versteeg)
3rd Rounder in 2013 (for Powe)
Undisclosed draft pick (from LA for Richards)

Am I missing anything as of 9:00 AM on 2 July?
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I'm in the same boat. It seems there is potential for things to go hard in either direction - good or bad. I think the Flyers are going to be alright. I wouldn't be surprised to see Giroux hit 80 points this year. Maybe Briere finally gets back to that form he had the last year he was with the Sabres having more talented guys with him than Hartnell and Leino. Maybe not as Hartnell will probably still be on the wing with him.
Flyers announce that Pronger will wear the C and the A's will be worn by Timonen and Briere.
No surprise here at all. Just saw this article on ESPN. Thinking about a road trip to Montreal for a Flyers game this year.
Yeah, this is what I was expecting as well. I always wanted to go to a game in Montreal. That would be great if you could make that trip happen.
Yeah, should be a blast, I think it's the December 15th game. Myself and another Marine (my boss) and two of his wife's cousins are going to make the road trip. Going to take off two days of work to head up Thursday morning, hang out, see the game, and then maybe stay Friday night as well, but either way, it should be blast. I'll have to learn some explicit phrases about the Habs in French!
Bob looked very solid making some nice saves in the shutout win over the Leafs.
I was at the first game in Toronto and i am going to the game in London. Thats where i am now.I wanna see Couturier stay up for good. Suspend Shelley for 82 games and that willhappen come on Shanny.
Yeah, that was a terrible decision by Shelley.
I also heard Simmonds had a banana peel
thrown at him during his shootout.
You need to get on AT&T because that was so 49 seconds ag, actually so 150-some days ago.
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