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Sedin's Want More Ice-time

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#1 ·
TheFourthPeriod.com

The Sedin twins, restricted free agents, revealed for the first time this week that their greatest frustration with the Canucks is not the lack of contracts for next season, but their lack of playing time last season, reports the Vancouver Sun.

"It's always about money of course," Daniel told the paper. "But not only about money. We've got to take everything in the big picture. We need more ice time to take the next step."

Henrik was especially outspoken after practicing Sunday with Sweden's World Cup team.

"We've been more productive than what the minutes show and what the money shows," he said.

"The big issue is I think we earned more ice time last season and didn't get it. That's frustrating."

The 23-year-olds want to be paid like second-line players, even if they don't get second-line ice time. They turned down qualifying offers of $1.24 million, which included a mandatory 10-per-cent raise, and reportedly seek salaries of about $1.7 million.

Canuck GM Dave Nonis said he won't pay it because he is committed to the long-standing policy of using the Collective Bargaining Agreement to the team's advantage when dealing with restricted (Group 2) free agents who lack arbitration rights.
 
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Man.Utd (SENS#1) said:
TheFourthPeriod.com

The Sedin twins, restricted free agents, revealed for the first time this week that their greatest frustration with the Canucks is not the lack of contracts for next season, but their lack of playing time last season, reports the Vancouver Sun.

"It's always about money of course," Daniel told the paper. "But not only about money. We've got to take everything in the big picture. We need more ice time to take the next step."

Henrik was especially outspoken after practicing Sunday with Sweden's World Cup team.

"We've been more productive than what the minutes show and what the money shows," he said.

"The big issue is I think we earned more ice time last season and didn't get it. That's frustrating."

The 23-year-olds want to be paid like second-line players, even if they don't get second-line ice time. They turned down qualifying offers of $1.24 million, which included a mandatory 10-per-cent raise, and reportedly seek salaries of about $1.7 million.

Canuck GM Dave Nonis said he won't pay it because he is committed to the long-standing policy of using the Collective Bargaining Agreement to the team's advantage when dealing with restricted (Group 2) free agents who lack arbitration rights.
Part of the Sedins' rather slow progression is due to Crawford's shaky coaching. These players could be first line stars right now if they had a proper coach. There were too many games last year where they were getting 13 minutes a game. They were putting up the numbers, tying up the puck, controlling the puck, and playing well defensively so what's the problem? They were racking up power play assists this year as well. Maybe rest Bertuzzi a bit more and the Sedins will get more time and as a result their inconsistancies may evaporate.
 
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truepopo said:
i didnt even notice they were not dressed untill you just said. i thought these guys were supposed to crack the swede lineup? i dont think sweden really needs them either. same for nucks as far as im concerened
They aren't in the lineup again today. This will not help them when trying to pry more bucks out of the Canucks. They needed to play and score some goals to improve their position. Nonis must have a friend in the Swedish teams management :wink:
 
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bigbigjim said:
truepopo said:
i didnt even notice they were not dressed untill you just said. i thought these guys were supposed to crack the swede lineup? i dont think sweden really needs them either. same for nucks as far as im concerened
They aren't in the lineup again today. This will not help them when trying to pry more bucks out of the Canucks. They needed to play and score some goals to improve their position. Nonis must have a friend in the Swedish teams management :wink:
I dont think whether they're playing in the world cup or not doesn't affect the negotiations for an NHL contract. The stats that they racked up last season are fact.
 
#8 ·
Newfie John said:
bigbigjim said:
truepopo said:
i didnt even notice they were not dressed untill you just said. i thought these guys were supposed to crack the swede lineup? i dont think sweden really needs them either. same for nucks as far as im concerened
They aren't in the lineup again today. This will not help them when trying to pry more bucks out of the Canucks. They needed to play and score some goals to improve their position. Nonis must have a friend in the Swedish teams management :wink:
I dont think whether they're playing in the world cup or not doesn't affect the negotiations for an NHL contract. The stats that they racked up last season are fact.
Maybe, maybe not. If they played and racked up some big numbers it would raise their profile.
 
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bigbigjim said:
Newfie John said:
bigbigjim said:
truepopo said:
i didnt even notice they were not dressed untill you just said. i thought these guys were supposed to crack the swede lineup? i dont think sweden really needs them either. same for nucks as far as im concerened
They aren't in the lineup again today. This will not help them when trying to pry more bucks out of the Canucks. They needed to play and score some goals to improve their position. Nonis must have a friend in the Swedish teams management :wink:
I dont think whether they're playing in the world cup or not doesn't affect the negotiations for an NHL contract. The stats that they racked up last season are fact.
Maybe, maybe not. If they played and racked up some big numbers it would raise their profile.
Your right, not fair is it. :lol:
 
#11 ·
Check this out

Canucks GM Dave Nonis said he won't and can't pay it, using the CBA, as MacIntyre writes " to the team's advantage when dealing with restricted (Group 2) free agents who lack arbitration rights." MacIntyre notes former Canucks Peter Schaefer and Dave Scatchard and current ones like Brendan Morrison, Brent Sopel and Matt Cooke. Nonis also said he'd start shopping for free agent replacements for the two if they're not re-signed this week.
Courtesy of spectors trade rumours

Wow, sounds pretty serious to me. That would leave the canucks in a HUGE hole..a whole 2nd line to fill.
 
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#12 ·
TimmyTabasco said:
Check this out

Canucks GM Dave Nonis said he won't and can't pay it, using the CBA, as MacIntyre writes " to the team's advantage when dealing with restricted (Group 2) free agents who lack arbitration rights." MacIntyre notes former Canucks Peter Schaefer and Dave Scatchard and current ones like Brendan Morrison, Brent Sopel and Matt Cooke. Nonis also said he'd start shopping for free agent replacements for the two if they're not re-signed this week.
Courtesy of spectors trade rumours

Wow, sounds pretty serious to me. That would leave the canucks in a HUGE hole..a whole 2nd line to fill.
The Sedin's are young, they're getting alot better year by year. I'd be very upset if Nonis doesn't resign them. These two have first line potential. The Sedins just need a permanent Right inger, and they could put up around 60-70 points next full season. I have lots of confidence in them, and I know they will turn out to be great players. NONIS SIGN THEM!!!
 
#13 ·
He should play hardball. I like them but they were very well paid for the first 3 years with all the BS bonuses in their contracts. Right now Nonis holds all the cards. I think they will be re-signed but not at what they are asking for. Playing in Sweden is a viable option for them but the pay is a lot less than the Canucks offer.
 
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sauceboy said:
Wow, sounds pretty serious to me. That would leave the canucks in a HUGE hole..a whole 2nd line to fill.
They already have a whole second line to fill. These two have had all the icetime in the world considering how slowly they've developed, especially on the PP where they almost NEVER produce. Even to the point where it has become a bone of contention between Crow and other players. I mean, jumped up jesus murphy on a pogo stick, since when do they hand out half million dollar raises for 15 to 20 game scoring slumps? These two are getting some really bad advice from somewhere. Henrik MAY be a decent second line centre in 3 or 4 years, but Daniel is a third liner now and he always will be. I say trade them. They are nowhere near where they should be considering they 2nd and 3rd overall picks. They don't even fit with Crow's system, let alone the way the game is played in the west. Just who's second line stats are they comparing themselves with? The robots in Minnesota?
 
#16 ·
gordfish said:
sauceboy said:
Wow, sounds pretty serious to me. That would leave the canucks in a HUGE hole..a whole 2nd line to fill.
They already have a whole second line to fill. These two have had all the icetime in the world considering how slowly they've developed, especially on the PP where they almost NEVER produce. Even to the point where it has become a bone of contention between Crow and other players. I mean, jumped up jesus murphy on a pogo stick, since when do they hand out half million dollar raises for 15 to 20 game scoring slumps? These two are getting some really bad advice from somewhere. Henrik MAY be a decent second line centre in 3 or 4 years, but Daniel is a third liner now and he always will be. I say trade them. They are nowhere near where they should be considering they 2nd and 3rd overall picks. They don't even fit with Crow's system, let alone the way the game is played in the west. Just who's second line stats are they comparing themselves with? The robots in Minnesota?
They have made strides in the right direction. Scoring slumps are a concern. I would like to see the same dude playing on the right side. The constant shuffling of right wingers doesn't help. Yes the PP time but it is generally about 30 seconds. They did get stiffed at times with the ice time. It is harder to produce when you are sitting on the bench for long stretches.

Their puck control game can be very useful especially when leading. There were a lot of times that not much happened but they tired out the other teams top line with all the cycling. It gets annoying to watch at times but it can be helpful.

I agree that they are not in line for a large raise but I do want them back.
 
#17 ·
bigbigjim said:
They have made strides in the right direction. Scoring slumps are a concern. I would like to see the same dude playing on the right side. The constant shuffling of right wingers doesn't help. Yes the PP time but it is generally about 30 seconds. They did get stiffed at times with the ice time. It is harder to produce when you are sitting on the bench for long stretches.

Their puck control game can be very useful especially when leading. There were a lot of times that not much happened but they tired out the other teams top line with all the cycling. It gets annoying to watch at times but it can be helpful.

I agree that they are not in line for a large raise but I do want them back.
Well said Jim

I mean, the twins haven't had a solid fulltime 2nd line winger to prove themselves fully.

Give them that 2nd line winger, and see what they can do. Keep that winger with them all season.

Then if there is no improvement, perhaps talk to them about tickets to Meatball Land
 
#18 ·
Here is a little stats comparison for you regarding ice time vs. points. I got my stats from NHL.com.

Daniel Sedin - 54 points in 1,111:00 min. of playing time = 20:34 min./point.
Henrik Sedin - 42 points in 1,524:26 min. of playing time = 25:24 min./point.

Here are the first line stats:

Markus Naslund - 84 points in 1,511:53 min. of playing time = 18:00 min./point.
Todd Bertuzzi - 60 points in 1,449:33 min. of playing time = 24:10 min./point.
Brendan Morrison - 60 points in 1,650:33 min. of playing time = 27:30 min./point.

I'm not sure what other second lines in the league look like but, they may have a point about their ice time. Morrison has an excuse for being so low (plays on the penalty kill). But when the Sedins minuites between points matches Bertuzzi's it can bring things into perspective. I do understand that Bert brings more to the table than just points but when you look at it from a strait production perspective it is very interesting.

I don't think they deserve a big raise but at the same time I wouldn't want to lose them either. 1.5-1.75 Million Max. Or sign em for whatever they want and trade em if it is more than they want to pay. You might not get much but at least you can get something.
 
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