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Old 04-29-2010, 11:18 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Crosby, Ovechkin no longer equals
STEVE SIMMONS, QMI Agency
Once again, their names were linked on Thursday, just as they always seem to be: Sidney Crosby and Alexander Ovechkin, again finalists for the Hart Trophy as the National Hockey League's most valuable player.

Ovechkin was an obvious candidate this season, Crosby not so obvious.

That was the regular season. Now, this is the season that matters and, for the two players who have been One and One-Eh in the ongoing hockey debate, there is, for the first time, some real separation between the two, not just based on the remarkable differences in the style of their games.

Crosby is still alive in the playoffs. Ovechkin, again, has been prematurely eliminated.

Crosby is coming off an Olympic Games in which he celebrated gold. He didn't dominate, but he found a way to score the goal that mattered most. Ovechkin's Olympic highlights included a dismal loss to Team Canada, the pushing of a cameraman, his lack of accessibility, and maybe worse as now witnessed in both Washington and while playing for Russia, his inability to lead when it matters most.

Crosby has never been better than he was in the first round against Ottawa, not just scoring, not just setting plays up, but hitting people, physically dominating, showing his teammates the way. He is they both are still kids, only he seems to have grasped that intangible called victory while Ovechkin understands the spectacular far more than the simple.

If they have been first among equals, they are not that anymore.

"I'd love to take credit for (Crosby's) fine play but unfortunately I can't," said Steve Yzerman, who was general manager of Team Canada at the Olympics. "I think playing in two consecutive finals and living through the pressure of the Olympics, he's starting to feel comfortable in these settings. We all forget, he's so young and is still a few years from his prime. Unfortunately for the rest of the league, he's only going to get better."

In birth years, Ovechkin is two years older than Crosby. He will turn 25 in September, Crosby 23 in August. Ovechkin has played five NHL seasons now and 28 playoff games in those years. This is Crosby's fifth NHL season: He already has played twice the number of playoff games of Ovechkin: He could be into the 70s in playoff experience before this Stanley Cup season concludes.

This isn't just a case of 1 and 1A anymore. This is 1. Crosby; 2. Ovechkin. It is clear and concise maybe for the first time ever. And that has nothing to do with a Hart Trophy that could well be won by Henrik Sedin, who received my first-place vote for MVP this season. Sedin had an amazing year and still might not get the voting to win the Hart. If Sedin doesn't win, almost certainly Ovechkin will. So, while the Russian may be holding the Hart Trophy in late June, the kid from Cole Harbour, N.S., may be holding or at least playing for another Stanley Cup.

For Ovechkin to get back into the race that matters the one for the Cup he can't continue to have year after year of heartbreaking endings. This is three straight Game 7 home defeats for his Capitals. Some of that how much, you can debate has to fall on him. Yes, he has 20 goals in 28 playoff games, and those are crazy numbers. But there is that fine line between individual performance and making your team better.

Ovechkin, the older of the two, appears less mature than Crosby, less grounded, more individualistic. His way of bringing his team back is to take a two-minute shift and do it himself.

That may work in February in Tampa but it hasn't worked in April in Washington.

The months that define a hockey player are not October to March. Reputations are made and lost in April and May and in February during Olympic years. This is Sidney Crosby's time: Alexander Ovechkin is the now the Avis of NHL players. No. 2 and trying harder.


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Old 04-29-2010, 11:58 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I really, really hate to sound like one of those Pittsburgh sycophants but this season has been pretty remarkable for Crosby; not only has he scored a Richard trophy-tying 51 goals but his defensive play has really been stepped up from last year too. And the dude just shows up big in the playoffs, him and Malkin are the best post season combo since Forsberg and Sakic (or Datsyuk and Zetterberg) in my book. Ovechkins got flash and flair but sure hasn't earned his "C" yet if you know what I mean. Granted he only got it from Chris Clark earlier this season and he's still got way better physical and defensive numbers than Crosby, but the guys needs to stop being a selfish dick on the ice. Long story short, I agree with the article.
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The article gets a big "ehhhh" in my book. He says some good things, but he says some really dumb things too.


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Ovechkin was an obvious candidate this season, Crosby not so obvious.
Really?

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Crosby is still alive in the playoffs. Ovechkin, again, has been prematurely eliminated.
Last year Washington lost to the eventual cup winners in 7 games...

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Crosby is coming off an Olympic Games in which he celebrated gold. He didn't dominate, but he found a way to score the goal that mattered most.
Agree, I do think it speaks volumes that he found a way to score that goal when it mattered, even if many seem to think he had underperformed. However, Canada's team was better than Russia's. That much was obvious. Not much Ovechkin can do about that.

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Ovechkin's Olympic highlights included a dismal loss to Team Canada, the pushing of a cameraman, his lack of accessibility, and maybe worse as now witnessed in both Washington and while playing for Russia, his inability to lead when it matters most.
Journalists can be so annoying sometimes. The entire world didn't stop turning when a cameraman was physically touched by an athlete. Get over it. Just because physical confrontation keeps you up at night doesn't mean everyone else gives a damn. I remember Ovechkin destroying my boy Jagr and not being very visible offensively.

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He is they both are still kids, only he seems to have grasped that intangible called victory while Ovechkin understands the spectacular far more than the simple.
True.

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"I'd love to take credit for (Crosby's) fine play but unfortunately I can't," said Steve Yzerman, who was general manager of Team Canada at the Olympics. "I think playing in two consecutive finals and living through the pressure of the Olympics, he's starting to feel comfortable in these settings. We all forget, he's so young and is still a few years from his prime. Unfortunately for the rest of the league, he's only going to get better."
This paragraph doesn't say much to the point of the article really. So what, Ovechkin has already peaked? Both young players will only get better...genius.

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In birth years, Ovechkin is two years older than Crosby.
Yeah, but in dogs years that's like 14.

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This isn't just a case of 1 and 1A anymore. This is 1. Crosby; 2. Ovechkin. It is clear and concise maybe for the first time ever. And that has nothing to do with a Hart Trophy that could well be won by Henrik Sedin, who received my first-place vote for MVP this season. Sedin had an amazing year and still might not get the voting to win the Hart. If Sedin doesn't win, almost certainly Ovechkin will.
This paragraph leads me to believe this guy puts too much emphasis on the Art Ross for the Hart. I don't like that.

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Yes, he has 20 goals in 28 playoff games, and those are crazy numbers. But there is that fine line between individual performance and making your team better.
I agree with this.

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Ovechkin, the older of the two, appears less mature than Crosby, less grounded, more individualistic. His way of bringing his team back is to take a two-minute shift and do it himself.
I agree with this too.

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That may work in February in Tampa but it hasn't worked in April in Washington.

The months that define a hockey player are not October to March. Reputations are made and lost in April and May and in February during Olympic years. This is Sidney Crosby's time: Alexander Ovechkin is the now the Avis of NHL players. No. 2 and trying harder.
This pretty much is why I've always said if I were starting a team from scratch, Crosby would be the first player I'd choose, but it sure is going to get annoying having to hear this kind of love from main stream journalists. I always wanted more people to respect Crosby, but I don't get why it always has to be at the expense of Ovechkin.
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The article gets a big "ehhhh" in my book. He says some good things, but he says some really dumb things too.



Really?


Last year Washington lost to the eventual cup winners in 7 games...


Agree, I do think it speaks volumes that he found a way to score that goal when it mattered, even if many seem to think he had underperformed. However, Canada's team was better than Russia's. That much was obvious. Not much Ovechkin can do about that.



Journalists can be so annoying sometimes. The entire world didn't stop turning when a cameraman was physically touched by an athlete. Get over it. Just because physical confrontation keeps you up at night doesn't mean everyone else gives a damn. I remember Ovechkin destroying my boy Jagr and not being very visible offensively.


True.


This paragraph doesn't say much to the point of the article really. So what, Ovechkin has already peaked? Both young players will only get better...genius.


Yeah, but in dogs years that's like 14.


This paragraph leads me to believe this guy puts too much emphasis on the Art Ross for the Hart. I don't like that.


I agree with this.


I agree with this too.


This pretty much is why I've always said if I were starting a team from scratch, Crosby would be the first player I'd choose, but it sure is going to get annoying having to hear this kind of love from main stream journalists. I always wanted more people to respect Crosby, but I don't get why it always has to be at the expense of Ovechkin.

The only reason I don't like Ovechkin is cause he does act so childish. Assaulting a guy taking a video who was probably just a fan in a public place is just childish, he lost he's supposed to be a professional and not act like a 5yr old. Look a Brooks laich the guys team just lost in the Stanley cup playoffs and on his way home he see's a woman and her daughter stranded with a flat tire he pulls over and changes it himself, is it to much to ask Ovechkin to be a little more mature like that? From my point of veiw Laich looks like he'd make a better captain for that team then Ovechkin.
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The only reason I don't like Ovechkin is cause he does act so childish. Assaulting a guy taking a video who was probably just a fan in a public place is just childish, he lost he's supposed to be a professional and not act like a 5yr old. Look a Brooks laich the guys team just lost in the Stanley cup playoffs and on his way home he see's a woman and her daughter stranded with a flat tire he pulls over and changes it himself, is it to much to ask Ovechkin to be a little more mature like that? From my point of veiw Laich looks like he'd make a better captain for that team then Ovechkin.
I'm not really a fan of Ovechkin's character either, and he probably isn't the best captain, but to say losing this playoff series is what definitively makes Crosby the better hockey player is what I don't like about this article. Not to mention this guy makes it out like he's the first one to think Crosby had better winning intangibles.
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I'm not really a fan of Ovechkin's character either, and he probably isn't the best captain, but to say losing this playoff series is what definitively makes Crosby the better hockey player is what I don't like about this article. Not to mention this guy makes it out like he's the first one to think Crosby had better winning intangibles.

I think the point trying to be made is that when things matter most and the pressure is on Crosby has been able to step his game up in all aspects, Ovechkin hasn't done that and thats what makes Crosby the better player.
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The majority of this article just sounds like a writer adding filler because he gets paid by the word. This is the only part where he made some sort of point.

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I don't see how Sid has jumped Ovi. You can make claims that either player is better than the other. And I would respect it, because they are very close. But to say Sid has jumped Ovi because his TEAMS have been better is ridiculous. Sure you could say Sid is a better leader, and you can't even argue about post season success because that obviously goes to Sid.

But when did it become Ovechkin's fault that Semin didn't show up and Green played like a JV player? Sid is on a better playoff style team. The Caps are built for the regular season, the Pens are built for the post season. You can say that Sid has jumped Ovi but, to say he's done it because of the Caps losing and Pens winning is extremely stupid.
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I don't see how Sid has jumped Ovi. You can make claims that either player is better than the other. And I would respect it, because they are very close. But to say Sid has jumped Ovi because his TEAMS have been better is ridiculous. Sure you could say Sid is a better leader, and you can't even argue about post season success because that obviously goes to Sid.

But when did it become Ovechkin's fault that Semin didn't show up and Green played like a JV player? Sid is on a better playoff style team. The Caps are built for the regular season, the Pens are built for the post season. You can say that Sid has jumped Ovi but, to say he's done it because of the Caps losing and Pens winning is extremely stupid.
I would say Ovi had the better team this season. He has had better linemates for the past two seasons. Yet Crosby just keeps going.
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I would say Ovi had the better team this season. He has had better linemates for the past two seasons. Yet Crosby just keeps going.
I agree. Without Crosby the Penguins wouldn't be ad good but as for Capitals without Ovechkin,I think they could manage.
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