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I’m sorry my words hurt you feelings, pal but I’m not surprised. Ovechkin’s fans always get upset facing the truth. I haven’t said Ovechkin sucks. You put the word in my mouth because it’s easier that way. It's easier to say I'm a "biased Pens fan", right? But it doesn't change the facts. And the simple facts are these:
YES, Ovechkin did score 60+ goals which was quite an achievement and nobody should neglect it. But what more significant than this has he achieved since that? Did he score 70+? Did he win the Stanley Cup? Or did he win the Olympic gold medal? NO, NO and NO!
Oh, I almost forgot! The President’s Trophy! If it could be any comfort for his great ambitions and most of all his great talent.
It’s about time for Ovechkin and his fans to open their eyes and see that it takes much more than just shooting the puck and scoring 60+ goals to be a great player though. And that’s what the article we’re discussing in this thread is talking about. Why don’t you read it instead of jumping on me for calling Ovechkin “soap bubble”. That’s the least I can say about a person who falls short of everybody’s expectations again and again.

viperstar

Okay, I just wanted to step in here and say. Didn't we have a big thread on this before saying how the Cup and Olympic Gold don't make them better then one another. These are team accomplishments and that means their TEAM played better.
Don't get me wrong Crosby is an amazing player as is Ovechkin but winning the Gold medal was just because in all honesty Team Canada was better then Team Russia. Sure, Ovechkin was "invisible" in that game but it's hard not to be when you face a shut down line of Getlaf-Perry-and was it Richards?. I'm don't quite remember the third member of the line. Anyways He also went up against defense-men like Niedmeyer, Doughty, Weber, Keith, Seabrook, Pronger and Boyle on each shift. BTW Crosby was also pretty invisible in that game as well.
Also as was mentioned before. Sid does play that sort of passive game where he disappears and reappears in a primo position to make an amazing pass or just bank in a goal while Ovechkin sort of plays that carry, get in your opponents face type of game. Which just seems to be much easier to defend since he usually comes to you. So when you have a defender like Gil who can block shots really well, Ovie might just get stopped.
Anyways that's all i have to say about the matter, at the moment.

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Dude i get what your trying to say, but the important thing is to respect Ovechkins talent, you cant blame Ovechkin fully for Washington's loos against the habs, its a team sport, and bag's is right, us pens are built for the playoffs, I mean Craig Adams has more playoff goals than Semin! I personally think Crosby is the better player and currently better in pressure situations, but i dont want to go around bashing Capitals fans and players (apart from jokingly) as there is such a thing as being a classy winner.. i think this is important, because next year it could be us that bomb in the first round and then i assure you some unclassy fans will bash us.. and we pens fans who arent the bandwagony, ovi-haters can hold our head up.

Hate them for 60 minutes 4 times a year and during the playoffs.. but respect them always.

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Well I usually stay away from these kinds of threads. I mean, we're talking about 22/24 year old players in the NHL. Really, they're still in their learning years.

And too many times these turn into the fans of one player bashing the other player. Which makes the other fans retaliate and so on.

Anyway, we're talking here about two of the best players in a generation, not just the moment, and we, as long as we're true hockey fans, should feel really lucky.

As a Pens fan, I should be happy the Caps were knocked out in round 1. But I wasn't, because after Buffalo and Jersey got knocked out(but before the Caps went down), I was dreaming of the possibly of a Caps - Pens Conference final.

Wow what a series that could have been. The rating would have been through the roof. It could have been a series for the ages.

I never look at this as one player being better than the other, as I said, their games are different, so of course one will be better at some things than the other. Its okay to point those differences out, but also be able to admit that the other player IS better at some things than the other.

Personally, I'm hoping for about 10 more years of them being at the top of their games. THEN maybe we can talk about who is the better player, or who's career has been better. Until then sit back, keep the fridge stocked with beer, and enjoy the ride.

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Bags2

Well saying Ovechkin is a soap bubble compared to Crosby kind of implies that. And when did winning the cup, and an olympic gold make Crosby a better player? He has been on better TEAMS you win with good TEAMS. The logic your using is like saying Max Talbot is better than Ovechkin because Talbot has a cup and Ovechkin doesn't. And that just sounds stupid.

And how is he a "soap bubble"? And how did he fall short? I believe he had 10 points in 7 games, and the Capitals lost. Not Ovechkin. Ovechkin's team lost. How is he, individually falling short of expectations? He scored 50 goals in 72 games, best in the NHL in GPG, and PPG. He had a great season, and a good playoffs as well, 10 points in 7 games, should have been 11 if the ref doesn't screw up.

At least give an argument comparing what these two have done individually, sure Sid has had more success in winning so far in his career, but that somehow makes him the better individual player? If you don't want people to think of you as a biased Pens fan don't beg people to do it.

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I agree 100%. You can argue all day about who is better, but the point is we are in the era of two of the greatest hockey players ever, who just so happen to be on the Caps and Pens. It would be one thing if they played once a year, but they play each other 4 time a year and we got a little treat last year, and got to see them in the playoffs.

I say we sit back relax and watch these two battle it out for another 10-15 years, should be a fun ride.

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LGP87_71

Nossa and Bags dead on the money here.. it should be a privelige to watch Ovechkin and Crosby in the league for 10-15 years.. and theyre only going to get better, and both of them are going to experience highs and lows and their fans and fans of the sport will get to enjoy/ feel the pain of defeat of those years.. its easier for me to say that as Crosby and the penguins have already experienced success in the short term, but im not such a 'biased pens fan' to know that OV and the Caps are a great team.. that will beat us one year and i dont see Ovechkin as a player who wont win lord stanleys cup.

But on a lighter note, Max talbot is a superstar.. ask BMW *cheep a cheep cheep*

Fridge is stocked (though i prefer whiskey on game night)

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lol, those commercials with Talbot are just terrible. They make me want to change the channel every time. But it's like a Car crash, I just can't look away.

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Well said.

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I hate threads like this. It's the same arguments over and over again with nothing new ever presented.

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