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Old 06-30-2008, 05:40 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Are the Leafs to get no compensation with the departure of Mats Sundin? He had until yesterday to make his decision, and yet puts things off and now his agent says that he'll take a dip into the Free Agent Pool.

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Leafs' GM will look elsewhere
By LANCE HORNBY -- Sun Media

With Mats Sundin likely making all his suitors wait beyond tonight's midnight free-agent deadline, the Maple Leafs will move ahead and concentrate rebuilding efforts on trades and a lesser-known group of free agents in their late 20s.

General manager Cliff Fletcher will keep the porch light on one more night for Sundin, but likes neither of the options left for him by his indecisive captain. If he waits for Sundin's inner Leaf to emerge later this week, he loses out on first- and second-tier National Hockey League free agents. If he tries to replace him, he will risk overpaying in a seller's market for a limited number of impact centres.

"I haven't got the sense entirely that Mats (won't be a Leaf)," Fletcher said last night. "But you have to make other plans."

He had tried to prod Sundin by giving the Montreal Canadiens exclusive rights to negotiate a trade before tonight, a move that would have given the Leafs some kind of return if Sundin signed. But Sundin's agent, J.P. Barry, e-mailed the Montreal media last night to tell them Sundin hadn't made up his mind about playing at all, trying not to offend GM Bob Gainey's efforts to sell the Swede on the division champion Habs.

One report said Gainey was prepared to go as high as two years at $8 million US a season. But Gainey will look elsewhere after 12:01 a.m. tomorrow, while the Leafs' war room plots its own post-Mats strategy.
Is Toronto going to get shafted? They couldn't trade him since he didn't want to accept the contract from Montreal (and from the there Toronto would be working out a deal for compensation). If you ask me, anything but staying with the Leafs for $4M-$5M or just retiring, is a stab in the back.

Whatever the case be there is no time for these shenanigans. This team is a mess and there is much to do.

Buh-bye Mats Sundin.
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Old 06-30-2008, 07:43 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Are the Leafs to get no compensation with the departure of Mats Sundin? He had until yesterday to make his decision, and yet puts things off and now his agent says that he'll take a dip into the Free Agent Pool.



Is Toronto going to get shafted? They couldn't trade him since he didn't want to accept the contract from Montreal (and from the there Toronto would be working out a deal for compensation). If you ask me, anything but staying with the Leafs for $4M-$5M or just retiring, is a stab in the back.

Whatever the case be there is no time for these shenanigans. This team is a mess and there is much to do.

Buh-bye Mats Sundin.
I'm not sure about that.

The Leaf hung Mat out to dry last season when they took the whole trade thing public.

They signed him to a no trade and should have honered it or at the very least kept things out of the media.

I can;t blame Sundin for handling things this way as this whole ordeal was brought on my the leaf orginization and the piss poor way the once again handled a player.
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I'm not sure about that.

The Leaf hung Mat out to dry last season when they took the whole trade thing public.

They signed him to a no trade and should have honered it or at the very least kept things out of the media.

I can;t blame Sundin for handling things this way as this whole ordeal was brought on my the leaf orginization and the piss poor way the once again handled a player.
And he's willing to turn how many Leaf fans against him to get back at them? (at least the ones that realise what will happen if things go down the way they're going right now)

Yeah, Fletcher shouldn't have spouted off the way he did to the media (Mats was taking a lot from heat from them, no doubt), but for the most part the fans (the people who relaly drive this team) didn't tear him apart. They weren't happy about what he did, but they didn't tear him apart.

I remember a poll on NHL Network that had 73% support whatever decision he made, while only 27% disagreed and thought that he wronged them. Down the stretch, the fans still cheered him on as the playoff picture slipped away (and he eventually got injured)

Why are they going to take the hit? One thing is for sure, it will be the end of the word "classy" when we talk about him.
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Well, I dunno, seems odd to say the Mats...or anyone else for that matter is stabbing the leafs and their fans. This guy gave his entire career practically to this team and it's city. Sorry to say but leaf fans have one of the worst reps in the game. I will never let it go that these fans booed Belfour after just two starts.....a hall of famer....gimmie a break. Frankly, Mats should have pulled the pin years ago IMO. I just think it's funny that he of all people would be considered a back stabber.

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Old 06-30-2008, 08:23 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Then why is it that he might be gone for nothing? They could have traded him and got something in return, but nope.

He might just leave.

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Frankly, Mats should have pulled the pin years ago IMO. I just think it's funny that he of all people would be considered a back stabber.

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That's true. I myself have been saying for years that he should stop coming back to the Leafs. He did though. Over and over again. Even thoug he shouldn't have and he knew he wasn't going to have the linemates that he long deserved. He gets props for that.

But there was nothing about him not waiving his NTC and than leaving for nothing after the team has a chance for something back there. Or, at least I don't remember something like this happening any time recently.

After thinking about it a little bit though, I guess stab in the back is a bit too strong here.

It's more like he's flipping the bird.
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And he's willing to turn how many Leaf fans against him to get back at them? (at least the ones that realise what will happen if things go down the way they're going right now)

Yeah, Fletcher shouldn't have spouted off the way he did to the media (Mats was taking a lot from heat from them, no doubt), but for the most part the fans (the people who relaly drive this team) didn't tear him apart. They weren't happy about what he did, but they didn't tear him apart.

I remember a poll on NHL Network that had 73% support whatever decision he made, while only 27% disagreed and thought that he wronged them. Down the stretch, the fans still cheered him on as the playoff picture slipped away (and he eventually got injured)

Why are they going to take the hit? One thing is for sure, it will be the end of the word "classy" when we talk about him.
Since when is it about the fans when it comes to these matters.?

Leaf management has never ever been about the fans yet Mat is suppose to be and have the Leaf benefit from the way they treat him and he's the classless one.?

Sorry can't buy into that.

So answer me this , if you as a fan are so quick to turn on Mat then why support the Leaf year after year when they infact have give you as fans a far worse deal with their piss poor management and bad deals that have cost the Leaf more than Mat could ever dream of causing them.?

Seems like a double standard to me.
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Since when is it about the fans when it comes to these matters.?

Leaf management has never ever been about the fans yet Mat is suppose to be and have the Leaf benefit from the way they treat him and he's the classless one.?

Sorry can't buy into that.

So answer me this , if you as a fan are so quick to turn on Mat then why support the Leaf year after year when they infact have give you as fans a far worse deal with their piss poor management and bad deals that have cost the Leaf more than Mat could ever dream of causing them.?

Seems like a double standard to me.
Not at all.

The organisation is run by money. I hope forthe best for my team year after year, but I don't buy any tickets or merchandise of any sort, and it has been that way for the last 5 years.

Anything Leaf related will not a penny from my pocket, and I wish more fans would do so. That's the only reason why they've been able to operate the way that they've operated. The fans. It is the fans' fault. Yes, I have realised that long ago. They allow this money making machine to keep chugging. Unfortunately a full-blown boycott doesn't look possible. It's been talked about, but for them most part it's just a dream.

At the same time though, Sundin leaving will hurt this team, and I wouldn't mind if he did (I'd like ot fall deeper in the draft). However, they won't be getting anything back to build of the future. With what he's worth (even at his age), even a high draft pick or so would do.

That's not helping.

With that said,I never said I hate him, but I am angry at him because of this fact (that is of course, if he does leave for free). And being a fan of this team, that means I'm getting shafted too... again... like always.
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I won't hold any ill will towards Mats, he has been one of the few bright spots on this team.

I won't be happy when he scores a hat trick against us in a Red wings jersey opening night, but I I'll boo the officials or whatever announce may be working the game before I'll boo Mats.

Good Luck Mats, believe it or not your leaving is the best thing to happen to this club since your joining the team many years ago. Go repeat with the wings young man!!
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Mats is a grown man capable of making grown decisions and it is that simple fact that keeps me from resenting him in these situations. I take these occasions like I took the whole no-trade thing, Mats Sundin is one of the greatest players to dawn the leafs uniform, and because of that Mats Sundin owes us nothing, we owe him for giving us hope when we didn't deserve it, for taking him for granted for making this franchise respectable through blunders.

Where ever Mats goes, I hope he gets hs cup, even if he dawns the Red Wings jersey I will cheer for him, he deserves it, and hell I think he has earned it.
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If Sundin signs with any other team, yes it's a stab in the back. He doesn't waive his NTC at the trade deadline. OK that's fine by me. And now he's deciding whether or not to play at all. I'm willing to wait, as long as he signs with the Leafs if he does come back. Anything else is a stab in the back.

What difference is it to leave at the trade deadline or leave at the end of the season? By not waiving his NTC, I'd take that as he wants to remain a Leaf and he should resign with the Leafs.
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