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05-26-2008, 08:02 PM
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I think that you guys are putting to much weight on Kubina. Toronto wont get as much as you uys are guessing in a trade for him.
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San Jose offered the same deal to Toronto that they did for Campbell in Buffalo.
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05-26-2008, 10:58 PM
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^Drafted as a winger but he can also play center.
That happens to a lot of players. They tend to change positions for the better of a team.
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I find a lot of players are drafted as centers, but move to the wing, rather than vice versa.
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05-27-2008, 07:43 AM
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I find a lot of players are drafted as centers, but move to the wing, rather than vice versa.
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Yeah like Jeff ONeill, Darcy Tucker etc.
At his University, they may need someone to play center, and since he's the most talented player, it was probably the easiest choice.
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05-27-2008, 11:29 AM
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Regardless it would be very cool if they could sign him as a UFA.
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05-28-2008, 01:18 PM
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How about:
To Philly:
Tomas Kaberle
To Toronto:
Jeff Carter
First rounder
- Philly offered this deal at the trade deadline and Kaberle didnt want to go with Philly. However he learns that the Leafs are going to want to rebuild, he may just want to go to a contender.
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Somehow I think this might actually be a possiblity though, I doubt Kaberle wants to go anywhere still.
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To NYI:
Bryan McCabe
To Toronto:
Chris Campoli
Trent Hunter
-McCabe would only accept a deal to NYI. Campoli has some upside to him, and is a Toronto boy, while Hunter is a 2nd-3rd line winger that hits and can score goals.
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Last thing torotno needs is another forward who should play on third or fourth lines, all the forwards we have, sans Sundin fall into that catagory
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To Phoenix:
Pavel Kubina
Kyle Wellwood
To Toronto:
Nick Boynton
-PHX would pick up a solid playmaker, and another top defensemen, while the Leafs land a solid defensive defensemen.
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No way is Boynton worth that, besides if we were to make this trade it would be the same thing as always trade a young gun who had one bad season and pick up a vetern defenceman. If Toronto wants the most out of their current roster they need to trade Kubina and not for a defencman but a young forward. We need some of our current Marlies to take their shot on the big team. Kronvall, Harrison, Walser etc.. need to know they are going to have the opertunity to prove themselves and ringing in another marginally talented defenceman to take their poetentcal positions is only going to further hinder their individual development.
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To LA:
Ian White
Andrew Raycroft
To Toronto:
Patrick O'Sullivan
LA picks up a number 1B goalie. Him and Cloutier could form a good partner ship while LA also gets a good offensive defensemen. The Leafs in turn, receive a player who has good offensive potential.
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The Kings owuld never buy into this trade and if they did they should fire their GM.
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UFA signings:
Brian Campbell for 6.5 million per
Brad Stuart for 4 million per
Mats Sundin for 5 million per
Defense:
Brian Campbell-Brad Stuart
Nick Boynton-Carlo Coliacovo
Anton Stralhman-Chris Campoli
Staffan Kronwall
Forwards:
Blake-Sundin-Antropov
Poni-Carter-O Sullivan
Hunter-Stajan-Steen
Tucker-Tlusty-Kulemin
Goalies:
Vesa Toskala
Justin Pogge
hmm I think I should be the Leafs GM
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NO MORE UFAs they always back fire, this team needs to develop its own talent and then compliment it with UFAs, other wise we will be destined to be near make its for all eternity.
Pogge should not be a back up on this roster, he needs to keep developing, building his confidence and playing major minutes. Unless we don't want him to one day be a great goaltender
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05-28-2008, 03:35 PM
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We need some of our current Marlies to take their shot on the big team. Kronvall, Harrison, Walser etc..
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Hell no on Walser.
The guy is a career AHLer. He is 30 years old.
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05-28-2008, 03:47 PM
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Most of the Marlies are AHL players. Lets not confuse ourselves even though they're in the finals.
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No way is Boynton worth that, besides if we were to make this trade it would be the same thing as always trade a young gun who had one bad season and pick up a vetern defenceman.
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Leafs lose 1.5m on the cap, they gain what the need (defensive defensemen).
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Last thing torotno needs is another forward who should play on third or fourth lines, all the forwards we have, sans Sundin fall into that catagory
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I think you underestimate the value of Hunter. He's a guy who plays like Tucker use to.
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The Kings owuld never buy into this trade and if they did they should fire their GM.
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Oh no?
The Kings have a legit top 6 without O Sullivan whos an offensive player. He's too talented offensively for the 3rd line duty, so he becomes bait. The Kings will no doubt draft a defensemen at this draft. They will have Hickey, Johnson, Doughty(probably) and why not add White? They're losing Blake, and may need another shot on the powerplay.
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05-28-2008, 04:04 PM
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Most of the Marlies are AHL players. Lets not confuse ourselves even though they're in the finals.
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Kronwall, Harrison etc... May progress at some point to a 5-6 dman. Walser is 30, progressing isn't an option, and he is offensive, he doesn't have a hope in the NHL.
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05-28-2008, 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by hockeyboy14
Most of the Marlies are AHL players. Lets not confuse ourselves even though they're in the finals.
Leafs lose 1.5m on the cap, they gain what the need (defensive defensemen).
I think you underestimate the value of Hunter. He's a guy who plays like Tucker use to.
Oh no?
The Kings have a legit top 6 without O Sullivan whos an offensive player. He's too talented offensively for the 3rd line duty, so he becomes bait. The Kings will no doubt draft a defensemen at this draft. They will have Hickey, Johnson, Doughty(probably) and why not add White? They're losing Blake, and may need another shot on the powerplay.
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The leafs don't need a defensive defenceman they need an eye on the future and not try futile for 8th place in a lesser conferance. The sonner we accept that the playoffs, not even the stanley cup, is not in our grasp, the sooner we can move on. If I am moving Kubina its not to ensure medicority it is to move toward the future. Boyton should not be in our cards.
As for Hunter, what Toronto should move away from is the "more of the same" thing we have going on, so Hunter is simular to Tucker, well he costs just as much as vet tucker and we still have Tucker in our line up a long with Blake and other players who are now suppose to assume Tucker's role. Once again he is not a useful for the leafs of tomorrow and we would be throwing away a valueable trading asset in McCabe to aquire them.
They may be willing to trade Sullivan but I doubt they will trade him for so little. Raycroft would serve as little more then a band aid for them and they would be losing a major trading piece if they forfitted Sullivan for weak excuse for a PP QB in White and a third string goalie in Raycroft. Once again I reiterate, if LA's GM makes this trade he should be fired.
As for the Marlies, there are about six forwards on that team that have NHL poetentical: Earl, Williams, Foster, Mitchell, Battaglia, Newbury and Ondrus. Then pretty much their entire defensive core.
All in all what the Marlies accomplished this season bodes quite well for the Leafs Future.
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06-10-2008, 02:33 PM
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I have heard some rumbles on other forums that Bret Hedican is going the way of his teammate Glen Weasley and calling it quits.
If this is true then the Carolina Hurricanes could be in the market for a couple of defencemen. If not at least one, ideally we could trade Kubina for their first, but with Tomas' brother Frantisek Kaberle, a mainstay in Carolina, Tomas maybe willing to wavie his NTC to go to Carolina, and if this is the case I think the Leafs could reasonably ask for Tim Gleason, Sutter and the 16th overall pick this draft year.
To Carolina
Tomas Kaberle
To Toronto
Tim Gleason
Brandon Sutter
1st Rd 2008
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