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Old 05-30-2008, 11:57 AM   #1 (permalink)
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assume your life is bad and you must be very insecure person if your not religious like them.

never ceases to amaze me.

Today I was heading to library at university and got stopped by some people who came here to Newfoundland from Alberta, to, they said, walk around and pray for our university and talk to people about God.

I asked them what type of christians they were and they said Evangelics (i have never heard of that denomination before) and they asked me what I believe and I told them I am an agnostic which basically means, I told them, that I believe in the possibility of a god and a non physical beings souls, sprits, angels and so on existing, but that I am not certain if they do exist.

Then they had the gall to say to me Oh we will be praying hard for you, as for the other university students, but harder for you, the lost soul, you must be feeling so insecure and lost in your life . When you find God, they said, then your life will be better. All you need, they said, is faith.

I couldnt believe it. What a patronizing arrogant thing to say. To assume my life is bad and im insecure because Im agnostic? It also , read between the lines, makes them sound like their life is good and they're somehow better than mine and me because they believe.

I have a great life. I have a great boyfriend, I will be graduating in May 2009 with my Bachelor of Arts degree, I have great friends, I have good marks in school.

Any ideas on some comebacks to say to these people who look down on others and think, and actually say it, your life is bad because you are a freethinker?

What can I say the next time that happens?

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Old 05-30-2008, 01:03 PM   #2 (permalink)
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being an agnostic darwinist, i farking love it when god-botherers try to introduce me to the idea of conversion to the sandle wearing way of life.

i am not so arrogant to presume that i know the big answers, anymore than i am convinced that my existence is so worthy of something, that there has to be an underlying reason or consciousness for it. shame they don't feel the same way!

but to some people, their lives are so fraught with fear and devoid of genuine worth and interest, that they have to indulge in the fantasy of theology.

i sympathise with them, but thus far, no cogent arguement has been presented to affect a change in my mental that we are here by pure fluke of happenstance.

bizarrely, this fills me with great comfort.
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oops, to ansa.... usually i discuss their faith with them, until they find an excuse to say 'goodbye' to me.

if you are opposed to simply saying "***** off phreak", i would simply tell them that you had already met god and she told you to live life true to yourself and to accept all others, believers and non-believers alike as being equal, as all originated from and are destined for the exact same thing. (whatever that is)

if they should dare respond to such simple logic with 'yes but.....' tell them to have faith and that you will not be preying for them. being equal there is no such need to.
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[QUOTE=paolosmythe;531083]oops, to ansa.... usually i discuss their faith with them, until they find an excuse to say 'goodbye' to me.

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actually i had the best excuse in the world when i left them

I was in the univ library at the time and I said I had a test tomorrow I really had to study for (lol I had it on wednesday but they didnt need to know that lmao)

There was no way they could have said no to that unless they were totally heartless.
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I'm not sure why people take such offense to people trying to introduce them to something that they think is the way to eternal salvation. These people care about you, and are trying to help you along the way. Giving them a polite, "I'm sorry, I'm not interested" is really all that is necessary, and generally they move on. Coming on to a forum, and generalizing about how religious people act, is definitely not necessary.
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I'm not sure why people take such offense to people trying to introduce them to something that they think is the way to eternal salvation. These people care about you, and are trying to help you along the way. Giving them a polite, "I'm sorry, I'm not interested" is really all that is necessary, and generally they move on. Coming on to a forum, and generalizing about how religious people act, is definitely not necessary.
I dont' think the message is the issue, but the delievery method of said message. That's the impression I'm getting anyways.

And why is every religious thing in Canada coming from Alberta, or at least feels like it?
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I dont' think the message is the issue, but the delievery method of said message. That's the impression I'm getting anyways.

And why is every religious thing in Canada coming from Alberta, or at least feels like it?
Its still a generalization. I've had great conversations with jehovah's witnesses and Muslims about their faith without resorting to being rude,explaining to them what I thought were flaws in their philosophy. Yet, the moment people find out I'm a Christian, they jump on me and try to pound into my head why I'm an idiot. Politely stating that you disagree with me would make a much better impression on me.

My point? People bash religious people for their preaching,yet there are some atheists that are just as prone to doing it themselves.
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I'm not sure why people take such offense to people trying to introduce them to something that they think is the way to eternal salvation. These people care about you, and are trying to help you along the way. Giving them a polite, "I'm sorry, I'm not interested" is really all that is necessary, and generally they move on. Coming on to a forum, and generalizing about how religious people act, is definitely not necessary.
I love when people paint with a broad brush about anything...it humors me.

How dare we suggest that there is a potential heaven and hell and present the way to get to one and avoid the other. It's called faith. No one can prove with science. I look at it this way...if I'm right, great, I don't go to hell. If I decide to be an atheist and I'm wrong, well, that would suck. If I live my life as a Christian and follow the values therein, and I'm wrong about heaven and hell, so what...I've live a moral life and that's that. There is much more at risk in deciding to say "piss off" to all religion than there is to following one.

Talking in this manor about all religious people is comparable to me saying all Habs fans are like Crack N Coke.


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Its still a generalization. I've had great conversations with jehovah's witnesses and Muslims about their faith without resorting to being rude,explaining to them what I thought were flaws in their philosophy. Yet, the moment people find out I'm a Christian, they jump on me and try to pound into my head why I'm an idiot. Politely stating that you disagree with me would make a much better impression on me.

My point? People bash religious people for their preaching,yet there are some atheists that are just as prone to doing it themselves.
Agreed...
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I dont' think the message is the issue, but the delievery method of said message. That's the impression I'm getting anyways.

And why is every religious thing in Canada coming from Alberta, or at least feels like it?
Obviously, I forget to say that not all religious people are patronizing and think they are superior. Wingnut was right to question this. He was right and I was wrong for not remembering to say it. I guess I was just upset about what they said to me. I should write more carefully next time.

Note to self : Don't post while angry. Wait til you have calmed down a little first.

Exactly. Thank you, CanadianCreed. Assuming and even more so saying it to me, that I must be insecure and an lost soul and have a bad life because Im agnostic is just patronizing and is an air of superiority to it. I was nice to them tbh. I have no problem discussing faiths with people, and im very accepting of difference. In fact my boyfriend is a Christian. So Wingnut, you need have no fear of me. I wont hurt you because you are a Christian.

Maybe they seem to come from Alberta because tradition Alberta is a very right wing part of the country. Dont forget the West is where the Reform/Alliance and later the Conservative Party of Canada originated. It is also well documented that said ex - reform , later Alliance Party had ties to the Heritage Front, a Canadian Neo Nazi group.

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When you find God, they said, then your life will be better. All you need, they said, is faith.
I have a lot of problems with people who CLAIM to be Christians.I'm not interested in streets paved with gold,or a mansion in heaven.I hear 'the Bible is the LITERAL word of God, but I INTERPRET this verse this way or that way'There is NO room for interpretation,if it says,for example it is a sin to kill,it's ALWAYS a sin.Not in war,self-defence,acidently. EVER.

What I AM interested in is NOT spending an eternity in Hell,I never asked for a life and although I AM seeking God,I resent in some ways being given a gift [life they tell me is a gift]and being told I will be punished forever for not using the gift the way the giver [God] wants it to be used.

These people who tell you your life will be better by accepting Jesus are deluding themselves,it's your AFTERLIFE that will be better. Hell has got to suck,3 days in jail sucks.The boredom,the NOTHING but sitting and waiting for time to pass is unbearble.Hell has GOT to be worse.

People who don't believe in that Hell exists can take their chances,I'm not gonna.No one can bail you out of Hell. It's forever. We ALL have sinned but Jesus,I truly believe that we can be redeemed by true acceptence of Jesus.Even those who have found God are yet sinners. ALL are sinners,if you truly make an effort to avoid sinning and accept Jesus,you can some day find God.

YOU make mistakes and I make mistakes.If you truly try to avoid sinning,truly,in your heart and ask to be forgiven for when you do,you WILL be forgiven.'ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God'

And I'm not a hallalujah boy,I was actively on the 'other guys' side for awhile.I KNOW he's a liar. God CANNOT lie. I NEVER preach to others,just offering my point of view. You make your own decisions in life.
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