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Badat · 05-08-2008, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Garb

Explain.

Homer took like 5 shots to the face. What makes you think that was bogus?

your homer as you say pushed and got pushed back and the stars got a penalty for pushing back, I would call that a penalty for both players. and it was only two shots.

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He didn't even touch the goalie. If Turco wants to get a call, don't back up when he does. If he runs into you he will get called for it. He didn't, so no call.

read the rules, if you infringe on the goaltenders ability to make a play its a penalty you don't have to touch him, having your ass a foot inside the crease is enough to be called infringing.

**wingsnut19** · 05-08-2008, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Badat

your homer as you say pushed and got pushed back and the stars got a penalty for pushing back, I would call that a penalty for both players. and it was only two shots.

read the rules, if you infringe on the goaltenders ability to make a play its a penalty you don't have to touch him, having your ass a foot inside the crease is enough to be called infringing.

1. Its common for the refs to take only one player to discourage scrums. Thats nothing new.

2. If that was the case, then no one would be allowed to screen the goalie. There is no way you call that a penalty.

Badat · 05-08-2008, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by wingsnut19

1. Its common for the refs to take only one player to discourage scrums. Thats nothing new.

2. If that was the case, then no one would be allowed to screen the goalie. There is no way you call that a penalty.

This is the playoffs. It might be common in the regular season but not in the playoffs specially when one team is already down a player.

Directly from the official NHL rule book:

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If an attacking player establishes a significant position within the goal crease, so as to obstruct the goalkeeper’s vision and impair his ability to defend his goal, and a goal is scored, the goal will be disallowed.

So if your not supposed to call a penalty for it why did they put it into the penalty book?

**wingsnut19** · 05-08-2008, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Badat

Directly from the official NHL rule book:

So if your not supposed to call a penalty for it why did they put it into the penalty book?

Key phrase: within the goal crease. Homer had maybe a quarter of his skate on the blue line. That was not a penalty, give it up.

Badat · 05-08-2008, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by wingsnut19

Key phrase: within the goal crease. Homer had maybe a quarter of his skate on the blue line. That was not a penalty, give it up.

you should try watching the replay again his entire butt was inside the crease, preventing turco from moving forward.

**wingsnut19** · 05-08-2008, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Badat

you should try watching the replay again his entire butt was inside the crease, preventing turco from moving forward.

The feet are the problem, not the butt. Players do that all the time. To object to that is to object to any player screening the goalie, ever.

Badat · 05-08-2008, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by wingsnut19

The feet are the problem, not the butt. Players do that all the time. To object to that is to object to any player screening the goalie, ever.

You need to learn to read better it doesn't say anything about "feet", it says if an attacking player is in the crease preventing the goaltender from doing his job, Holmstroms butt in turco's face preventing him from moving forward is preventing him from doing his job.

The rules are the rules and thats exactly what it says and holmstrom was in the crease with his butt in the face of turco so the goal should have been disallowed and it was a missed call by the refs.

**wingsnut19** · 05-08-2008, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Badat

You need to learn to read better it doesn't say anything about "feet", it says if an attacking player is in the crease preventing the goaltender from doing his job, Holmstroms butt in turco's face preventing him from moving forward is preventing him from doing his job.

The rules are the rules and thats exactly what it says and holmstrom was in the crease with his butt in the face of turco so the goal should have been disallowed and it was a missed call by the refs.

The call is made based on the feet, all the time, unless undue contact is made. You can't seriously believe the refs need to call that every time a player gets close to the goalie, without making contact. It happens on nearly every powerplay for every team.

And I can read fine.

Badat · 05-08-2008, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by wingsnut19

The call is made based on the feet, all the time, unless undue contact is made. You can't seriously believe the refs need to call that every time a player gets close to the goalie, without making contact. It happens on nearly every powerplay for every team.

And I can read fine.

his feet were in the crease and yes anytime a goaltender is prevented in doing a proper job yes there should be a penalty or no goal.

Garb · 05-09-2008, 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Badat

your homer as you say pushed and got pushed back and the stars got a penalty for pushing back, I would call that a penalty for both players. and it was only two shots.

Homer got into it with him but never landed any punches to the face. He was hit twice by one player, and then two more times by Ott. Someone should have went because he didn't punch anyone.-

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Originally Posted by Badat

read the rules, if you infringe on the goaltenders ability to make a play its a penalty you don't have to touch him, having your ass a foot inside the crease is enough to be called infringing.

It's always been based on his feet. You can't see how far someone's butt is in the crease when you are at ice level seeing what is going on. Sorry, but Turco didn't have to move much at all to make that play, it was a weak angle, and it was tipped. Turco had free movement of his blocker so he would have been able to make the save. No penalty.

PS: The rules say SIGNIFICANT. Homer was inside just barely and while the puck was in flight so Turco should have been in position to make the save anyways.