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Badat · 05-15-2008, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by RustyBadcock

This thread has become a classic example of how the media has swayed popular opinion of what is and is not a good hockey play. That goal last night that was called back has been a good hockey play for nearly a hundred years. Suddenly, three years into this pathetic new NHL and a whole new breed of fan thinks Holmstroms a bum for hanging his bum over the crease line. It's a joke. As Lossy said, no one bitches about Smyth, nope, he's a good Canadian hockey player. What about when Bertuzzi was making a living in front of the net? How about Glen Anderson....or am I dating myself there? Shall I continue? Tim Kerr anyone?

RB

The difference is that guy used to take cross checks to the head, slashes, punches and pushes from the goaltenders and these things were all acceptable play if you wanted to stand in front of the net. Now you get guys like Holmstrom who stand in front of the net unmolested not being touched cause penalties are so easy to take and teams like the wings can score so easy on the power-play when guys can't hook on or barely even take the body without having to worry about taking a penalty.

Glen Anderson has a bad back these days from all the crosschecks he used to take, and so are many of the players from before the stupid instigator rule and the push over penalties.

**RustyBadcock** · 05-15-2008, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by wingsnut19

Heres what really irks me. People complain that the other team is getting bad breaks, so thats why Detroit is winning. But when Detroit gets a bad break, they deserve it. Kinda hypocritical, no?

Yup it is. Your point is taken.

RB

**RustyBadcock** · 05-15-2008, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Daryl Shilling

You've really made a good point here: it's interesting to see how the perception of good plays has changed.

I was watching a game earlier this year, and watched as Tom Gilbert recieved an interference penalty for tying up his stick with an opposing forward as the shot was coming from the point. He didn't hook or hold, and didn't take a hand off his stick, nor did he even have his stick off the ice: he had his opponent's stick pushed down with his own stick. When I was a kid, a defenseman would have been congratulated for making a hell of a clean defensive play. Now? That's a damn penalty.

Please tell me that we haven't entered a time where many people think it's dirty or penalty-worthy to legally screen the goaltender.

One little point to disagree about: Glenn Anderson made his living driving to the net, not hanging out in front of it.

Daryl

That's right.

How about Tkachuk before he got "heavy"

Cam Nealy....

RB

**RustyBadcock** · 05-15-2008, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by careyprice31

actually I would have to say no. Because I have NO idea what you guys are going on about *shrugs*

could you tell me what are you talking about? what did this dude you refer to do?

what kind of a name did he make for himself?

a joke I couldnt possibly get? what does that mean?

You're referring to me. Thats girl. Not guy. LOL I always get called a guy.

Im a LADY price. xD

See what I mean Rusty?

(referring to you busting on me about my sig lol that was funny I laughed)

bte Im not arrogant. Im actually pretty friendly and Im easy to get along with.

What I mean by you no getting the joke is that you've just arrived. You've not had an opportunity to understand how ridicules previous posters handled themselves. That's all. That's all I meant.

Enjoy yourself at HF!

RB

AtLossForWords · 05-15-2008, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Badat

The difference is that guy used to take cross checks to the head, slashes, punches and pushes from the goaltenders and these things were all acceptable play if you wanted to stand in front of the net. Now you get guys like Holmstrom who stand in front of the net unmolested not being touched cause penalties are so easy to take and teams like the wings can score so easy on the power-play when guys can't hook on or barely even take the body without having to worry about taking a penalty.

Glen Anderson has a bad back these days from all the crosschecks he used to take, and so are many of the players from before the stupid instigator rule and the push over penalties.

Fair enough that's a difference. I think you're giving Holmstrom the short end of the stick if you think he hasn't gone through that. His calling card has always been standing in front of the net on the Wings' powerplay. He's been doing that regularly since '98-'99 when he first played 82 games. Smyth played 82 games for the first time in '96-'97. So I don't think it's right to say Holmstrom and Smyth have taken an absolutely different level of punishment in front of the net because of a two year difference.

Holmstrom was primarily a powerplay specialist at the time whereas Smyth was playing five on five with Edmonton, but now it makes no difference how much easier it is to stand in front of the crease. Holmstrom has the same right to that space as Ryan Smyth, Jonathon Cheechoo, Scott Niedermayer, and Niklas Hjarlmarsson do.

Garb · 05-16-2008, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by careyprice31

um no. Holmstrom doesnt do regular screening. Not like other Red Wings. Take a look at your other Wings, and then look at Holmstrom. There is a difference.

Franzen gets close as well. Take a look.

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Originally Posted by careyprice31

He doesnt just 'screen' He gets like centimeter in fron t of a goalie's face and body and blocks him from top to bottom. He, Turco in this case, cant even attempt to try to do his job. Regular screening tries to partially obstruct the goalie's view or attempt for the screening player to cause a deflection to trick the goalie but still leaves him room to maneuver and attempt to make the save. Like one of the other people said that what holmstrom does isnt screening, thats interference.

His crease is all he gets. If you can't make a save in there then you need to go back to the minors.

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Originally Posted by careyprice31

He has so many Wings goals waved off because of his behavior. If Im not mistaken he was even spoken to about his behavior.

Ummm no he doesn't? This is one of the only times I've seen the ref wave off a goal. Care to cite a lot of examples?

careyprice31 · 05-16-2008, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by RustyBadcock

What I mean by you no getting the joke is that you've just arrived. You've not had an opportunity to understand how ridicules previous posters handled themselves. That's all. That's all I meant.

Enjoy yourself at HF!

RB

oh ok. My bad.

some posters must have been ridiculous here then.

well you wont find that about me. I have and always will be a good forum member. (guess thats why I have a moderator job at another forum)

I do love this forum. It seems to accomodate everyone of my interests.

Think I will be spending most of my internet time here. xD

and sit back and have a couple Molson Canadian beer )

oh and btw I have seen other goals waved off because of Holmstrom. And have heard other fans discuss it they say Holmstrom does get his share of wings goals waved off.

Franzen's been out with an injury. Havent had too many opportunities to look at him.

careyprice31 · 05-16-2008, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by RustyBadcock

What I mean by you no getting the joke is that you've just arrived. You've not had an opportunity to understand how ridicules previous posters handled themselves. That's all. That's all I meant.

Enjoy yourself at HF!

RB

Never mind. I think I've figured it out. And exactly who you are talking about.

And why he made a name for himself (yes he is ridiculous)

its Crack N Coke, isnt it? Thats who it is isnt it?

This from the Jaromir Jagr topic "Is Jagr done"?

Originally Posted by Pens6615
"anyway I won't come here all summer long except if theres a big news ( UFA , DRAFT )"
Why are you still here? Your not a man of your word!

http://www.hockeyforum.com/nhl-forum...done-life.html

and I wrote

Off topic but

Wow. This is the guy another forum member compared me to in one of the stanley cup playoffs topics in that thread "You remind me of a particular crazy Hab forum member on cocaine"? Wtf, I'm nothing like this guy. He flames and makes personal attacks and he cried too much about the Habs losing. wow, just.....omg. come on....

**RustyBadcock** · 05-16-2008, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by careyprice31

Never mind. I think I've figured it out. And exactly who you are talking about.

And why he made a name for himself (yes he is ridiculous)

its Crack N Coke, isnt it? Thats who it is isnt it?

This from the Jaromir Jagr topic "Is Jagr done"?

Originally Posted by Pens6615
"anyway I won't come here all summer long except if theres a big news ( UFA , DRAFT )"
Why are you still here? Your not a man of your word!

http://www.hockeyforum.com/nhl-forum...done-life.html

and I wrote

Off topic but

Wow. This is the guy another forum member compared me to in one of the stanley cup playoffs topics in that thread "You remind me of a particular crazy Hab forum member on cocaine"? Wtf, I'm nothing like this guy. He flames and makes personal attacks and he cried too much about the Habs losing. wow, just.....omg. come on....

Yeah, I think your on the trail and have found the scent.

Forums are forums, they take all kinds.

Just let it alone, believe me, it's just not worth it.

Thanks again for joining the site!

RB

careyprice31 · 05-16-2008, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by RustyBadcock

Yeah, I think your on the trail and have found the scent.

Forums are forums, they take all kinds.

Just let it alone, believe me, it's just not worth it.

Thanks again for joining the site!

RB

Yea and I did a little research and found his "Montreal's gonna win the Stanley Cup" thread.

Honest to God, I nearly died when I read that. Still cant believe i was compared to someone like that.

forums do take all kinds. and believe me, I've seen it all. You name it, I've seen it.

~CP~

(hehe, just pokin fun at the way you sign your posts always, not being mean I just think its cute.)