View Poll Results: Who will win the Western Conference Finals?

Wings in 4 2 7.69%
Wings in 5 8 30.77%
Wings in 6 9 34.62%
Wings in 7 4 15.38%
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Old 05-15-2008, 12:33 PM   #91 (permalink)
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you need to get it through your head that player doesn't have to touch a goaltender to be called for interference, if you stand in front of a goaltender blocking his path to the top of the crease that is interference.
Yea, thats interference. You're stopping the goalie from even attempting to do his job. I know why Turco finally bashed him a couple of games back. I would have done the same. I dont like Holmstrom. Hes a jerk to goalies imo and you dont see any of the other redwings doing what he does.

He also knocked down Turco last night when the wings shot just missed the net and he got away with it. Grrr.

imo dallas played a bit to much defence in the last few games (i think they were still recovering from the having the played the longest game in san jose's history. they werent being strong in the neutral area, they moved back instead of checking whenever a red wing got the puck, and just generally were being passive. Last night, they were more assertive and thats what helped them squeak by the Red wings.
That and their Morrow / Rebeiro line. and Modano.

Although they show somewhat the style of play last night that got them a cup banner in their stadium, imo unlike the wings and penguins they arent a 4 line power team either though. I dont think theyre strong enough to beat the mighty flying wings. But I think I really wanted dallas to win last night for 3 reasons.

One, so Turco could get some rest. He had like 2 or 3 consecutive poor games with many shots scored on him. He needed a good game to help his confidence.

Two, because of the Stanley Cup record set by Montreal back in 1993. They then won 11 consecutive games on their way to the cup then and I dont want the wings to break that.

And three, because I want the wings to win the series and it would be nice for them to win in the home city and celebrate with their own fans instead of in Dallas.
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Old 05-15-2008, 12:40 PM   #92 (permalink)
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i'm sorry, what?

or should I say, what the...?
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Old 05-15-2008, 01:28 PM   #93 (permalink)
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Yea, thats interference. You're stopping the goalie from even attempting to do his job. I know why Turco finally bashed him a couple of games back. I would have done the same. I dont like Holmstrom. Hes a jerk to goalies imo and you dont see any of the other redwings doing what he does.

He also knocked down Turco last night when the wings shot just missed the net and he got away with it. Grrr.
That is what Holmstrom does. He gets in front of the goalies and makes it as hard as possible for them to know where the puck is at. If screening is bing a jerk to goalies then I'll be happy having a jerk on my team.It seems like no one has been complaining about it until this year. What the hell?
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That is what Holmstrom does. He gets in front of the goalies and makes it as hard as possible for them to know where the puck is at. If screening is bing a jerk to goalies then I'll be happy having a jerk on my team.It seems like no one has been complaining about it until this year. What the hell?
um no. Holmstrom doesnt do regular screening. Not like other Red Wings. Take a look at your other Wings, and then look at Holmstrom. There is a difference.

He doesnt just 'screen' He gets like centimeter in fron t of a goalie's face and body and blocks him from top to bottom. He, Turco in this case, cant even attempt to try to do his job. Regular screening tries to partially obstruct the goalie's view or attempt for the screening player to cause a deflection to trick the goalie but still leaves him room to maneuver and attempt to make the save. Like one of the other people said that what holmstrom does isnt screening, thats interference.

He has so many Wings goals waved off because of his behavior. If Im not mistaken he was even spoken to about his behavior.
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Why doesn't everyone complain about Ryan Smyth and Owen Nolan (at least earlier in his career) the way they complain about Holmstrom now.

Holmstrom isn't pulling Sean Avery antics with no regard for where the puck is. He's establishing good hockey position by standing in front of the net. Last night Holmstrom was not in the crease, he was just outside of it. The goaltender does not have rights to ice outside the crease the same way he does have rights to the ice in the crease. You can see where the blue paint ends and Holmstrom was not in it. He was providing a legitimate screen and it worked.

I thought the NHL got rid of the crease rule back in 2000 because they wanted forwards to be able to play in front of the net, now they want to call goals back just because a player was providing a screen. That's bull****.
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This thread has become a classic example of how the media has swayed popular opinion of what is and is not a good hockey play. That goal last night that was called back has been a good hockey play for nearly a hundred years. Suddenly, three years into this pathetic new NHL and a whole new breed of fan thinks Holmstroms a bum for hanging his bum over the crease line. It's a joke. As Lossy said, no one bitches about Smyth, nope, he's a good Canadian hockey player. What about when Bertuzzi was making a living in front of the net? How about Glen Anderson....or am I dating myself there? Shall I continue? Tim Kerr anyone?

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i'm sorry, what?

or should I say, what the...?
Sorry CP, shinedown is referring to a dude who was posting here and making quite a name for himself. An inside joke I suppose, in fairness, one you couldn't possibly get.

Hope I helped.

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Old 05-15-2008, 04:57 PM   #98 (permalink)
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actually I would have to say no. Because I have NO idea what you guys are going on about *shrugs*

could you tell me what are you talking about? what did this dude you refer to do?

what kind of a name did he make for himself?

a joke I couldnt possibly get? what does that mean?

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Cept Crack N Coke was way more arrogant than this guy.
You're referring to me. Thats girl. Not guy. LOL I always get called a guy.

Im a LADY price. xD

See what I mean Rusty?

(referring to you busting on me about my sig lol that was funny I laughed)

bte Im not arrogant. Im actually pretty friendly and Im easy to get along with.

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This thread has become a classic example of how the media has swayed popular opinion of what is and is not a good hockey play. That goal last night that was called back has been a good hockey play for nearly a hundred years. Suddenly, three years into this pathetic new NHL and a whole new breed of fan thinks Holmstroms a bum for hanging his bum over the crease line. It's a joke. As Lossy said, no one bitches about Smyth, nope, he's a good Canadian hockey player. What about when Bertuzzi was making a living in front of the net? How about Glen Anderson....or am I dating myself there? Shall I continue? Tim Kerr anyone?

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You've really made a good point here: it's interesting to see how the perception of good plays has changed.

I was watching a game earlier this year, and watched as Tom Gilbert recieved an interference penalty for tying up his stick with an opposing forward as the shot was coming from the point. He didn't hook or hold, and didn't take a hand off his stick, nor did he even have his stick off the ice: he had his opponent's stick pushed down with his own stick. When I was a kid, a defenseman would have been congratulated for making a hell of a clean defensive play. Now? That's a damn penalty.

Please tell me that we haven't entered a time where many people think it's dirty or penalty-worthy to legally screen the goaltender.

One little point to disagree about: Glenn Anderson made his living driving to the net, not hanging out in front of it.

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Old 05-15-2008, 07:50 PM   #100 (permalink)
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Heres what really irks me. People complain that the other team is getting bad breaks, so thats why Detroit is winning. But when Detroit gets a bad break, they deserve it. Kinda hypocritical, no?
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