[AMinnes]

Hey, I love the Leafs but, Burke wouldn't trade Schenn and his seventh pick for the right to pick Tavares? What a fool. Schenn is a solid homer defencemen and I like him, but Tavares is a franchise player who could be a 40 or maybe 50 goal guy. We have to go back 15 years to Dave Andrychuck to see 50 goals in T.O. Schenn has a good Adam Foote like potential, but Tavares has Bossy potential. Big mistake by Burke, and would have been a bigger mistake by the Island had Burke done it.

[lapniappe]

how on earth is he a fool? it would mean that Snow was going to TRADE the first round pick, where every analyst and news reporter was saying that he wasn't. Even on TSN last night and the night before, Burke was saying, nearly every GM was asking Snow about it and Snow said, no. He wasn't letting go of it, which is why for a while, Toronto was knocking on Tampa's & Atlanta's door.

And quite frankly, Schenn could very well be a franchise player himself. we're REBUILDING. what's the point of trading a key building block, for another key building block? as burke would say: does that make sense to you?

[viperstar]

Originally Posted by AMinnes

Hey, I love the Leafs but, Burke wouldn't trade Schenn and his seventh pick for the right to pick Tavares? What a fool. Schenn is a solid homer defencemen and I like him, but Tavares is a franchise player who could be a 40 or maybe 50 goal guy. We have to go back 15 years to Dave Andrychuck to see 50 goals in T.O. Schenn has a good Adam Foote like potential, but Tavares has Bossy potential. Big mistake by Burke, and would have been a bigger mistake by the Island had Burke done it.

The thing is the trade wasn't for NYI pick it was for tampa's i believe we wouldn't of gotten Tavares then correct ?

[AMinnes]

Originally Posted by viperstar

The thing is the trade wasn't for NYI pick it was for tampa's i believe we wouldn't of gotten Tavares then correct ?

That was stupid too. Hedman for Schenn, again would have been a great trade. And Snow would have traded the pick for the right deal. Even if it was Schenn, Kaberle, and 2 first rounders he should have done it. At the very least he should have traded Kaberle and the 7th for Kessel. 21 years old, 38 goals. That sounds like good rebuilding to me. Is Kadri going to be that good in 2 years?

[mikey84]

Dude you are nuts!

Hedman is not even close to being worth Schenn + the 7th or Schenn + Kaberle + the 7th.

And Kessel is even a worse deal at Kaberle + 7th.

[charlio lemieux]

Originally Posted by AMinnes

That was stupid too. Hedman for Schenn, again would have been a great trade. And Snow would have traded the pick for the right deal. Even if it was Schenn, Kaberle, and 2 first rounders he should have done it. At the very least he should have traded Kaberle and the 7th for Kessel. 21 years old, 38 goals. That sounds like good rebuilding to me. Is Kadri going to be that good in 2 years?

So if we traded away our last 1st rd pick and our next two 1st rd picks and Kaberle, just what kind of talent would have us put around Tavares?

Kessel? I would be a lot more impressed if had scored his goal in Nashville with Arnott, than in Boston with Savard.

In two years time, Kadri + what ever we get for Kaberle will likely be worth more than just Kessel.

[AMinnes]

Burke said after round two he could have taken the 2nd overall for Schenn and the seventh pick, so the debate lies as to how much people value Schenn, I'm not sure he's a Hedmen or Duschene caliber player long term, so to me it makes sense to move him for one of those guys. I like Schenn a lot, and he's going to be good, but I don't see him scoring 50 - 70 points any time in his career. He is a leader homer defenceman which is a piece, but to me not as big a piece as potent offensive threat (especially on a team that has none).

As for Kessel, don't forget how stupid Fergesun looked when Carter went and had his year. Burke had the chance to redeem that, but ya, who wants a 21 year old 30 + goal guy, those are all over the place. There's one guy to play with a pick up front. You guys are over- valuing Kaberle, we'll see what Burke ends up getting for him, Boston took the deal off, must have sobered up.

Also with Kaberle, I have never been a fan for the most part, and a healthy Van Ryn and White combo will easily make us all forget his offense.

[charlio lemieux]

Originally Posted by AMinnes

Burke said after round two he could have taken the 2nd overall for Schenn and the seventh pick, so the debate lies as to how much people value Schenn, I'm not sure he's a Hedmen or Duschene caliber player long term, so to me it makes sense to move him for one of those guys. I like Schenn a lot, and he's going to be good, but I don't see him scoring 50 - 70 points any time in his career. He is a leader homer defenceman which is a piece, but to me not as big a piece as potent offensive threat (especially on a team that has none).

When you can put out a D-man to stop the oppositions top player, they become very valuable. Heck just look at what the Pens did with GIll, of all people. Schenn at best will be an Adam Foote type shut down guy with some more speed. I would think a carreer high in points would be somewhere around 30, unless he by some miracle develops like Chara did, and he might hit 50 in his best season.

But he is an important piece to a winning combination. To lose one important piece just to grab another, allbeit a bigger piece doesn't get the Leafs that much further ahead.

As for Kessel, don't forget how stupid Fergesun looked when Carter went and had his year. Burke had the chance to redeem that, but ya, who wants a 21 year old 30 + goal guy, those are all over the place. There's one guy to play with a pick up front. You guys are over- valuing Kaberle, we'll see what Burke ends up getting for him, Boston took the deal off, must have sobered up.

If it was KAbs + #7 then noway. If it was Kabs + 3rd then sure why not.

Also with Kaberle, I have never been a fan for the most part, and a healthy Van Ryn and White combo will easily make us all forget his offense.

Imo a healthy Van Ryn was the Leafs best all-round d-man last year. With a possible exception to Kubina's play when he got hot.

White is becoming a favorite of mine and in a place like NJ he would be a top 4 D-man and be running their PP.

Kaberle's time in Toronto is either over, or he is here to stay. I feel sorry for him having to deal with this crap. Look what it did to him last year. Either move him or take him off the trading block.

If keeping him means moving White then I am all for it. I just want to see the team move forward. Leaving Kaberle twisting in the wind is disgusting and is only hurting his game. If Burke is going to move him then he can't keep holding him for ransom like he is, just trying to get the absolute most for him. Do it and get it done with.

Judging by what Pronger got in return, it looks like Kaberle may be worth more than I thought he was. Kabs may get 2 late 1st's and a young over paid player.

Philly gave up what should amount to a 19th and 2 late 1st rd picks. Depending on Emery there is a good chance that next years pick could be 27th or higher. They also have a ton of great young talent already. With two gems from the 2003 draft, 3 solid D-men under 25, plus to top it off they still have the #2 overall pick from 2007. Infact Timmonen, Briere and Pronger are the only players under contract that are over 30 years old.

I posted elsewhere that I would have moved Kabs and Stajan for the 15th or 16th overall. I would gladly take Sbisa and the 2 picks from Philly for the same, and throw in the Leafs 2010 3rd to make it happen.

[VICE™]

Originally Posted by AMinnes

As for Kessel, don't forget how stupid Fergesun looked when Carter went and had his year. Burke had the chance to redeem that, but ya, who wants a 21 year old 30 + goal guy, those are all over the place. There's one guy to play with a pick up front. You guys are over- valuing Kaberle, we'll see what Burke ends up getting for him, Boston took the deal off, must have sobered up.

The Carter trade fell through because Kaberle wouldn't waive a NTC. Ferguson did all he could on that front.

[charlio lemieux]

Originally Posted by FAHQALL

The Carter trade fell through because Kaberle wouldn't waive a NTC. Ferguson did all he could on that front.

Remember Carter had not broken out and Kaberle had 3 not 2 years left on his bargain of a contract. He was worth more at this time last year than he is now.