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Old 10-28-2003, 11:01 PM   #1 (permalink)
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What another disgraceful performance by the Habs :evil: Shutout for the second straight night by another conference team. I really can't see Audette being there much longer, he is absolutely terrible! I believe that a major shakeup is on the way.

We need Koivu back more then ever. We need our CAPTAIN to come back and be just that, a captain. Take these guys and knock some heads. He has to get everyone on the same page and Zednik needs him badly.

Some moves that might help....I have heard a lot of talk about the HAbs persuing Gauthier from Calgary, he would help to bring up the intensity. Mike Comrie would be a nice fit because it really doesn't look like he is going to re sign in Edmonton. There are others, such as Gaborik but I doubt Minnesota would trade his rights but you never know...

Anyone have any ideas how they can turn things around and stay close in the standings?
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Old 10-28-2003, 11:31 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Wow, surprising. Didn't think that they would get shut out two in a row. Oh, tied for the Oilers this seasons record. Not a good thing....
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Old 10-28-2003, 11:41 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Comrie will not help you out, much like Saku he is just too damn small, and the Eastern game is a more physically demanding game, ie he will have to lineup against some pretty big guys and seeing as he is only 4 ft 2.... He is okay in the West because it is a free flowing game for the most part, in the East the Trap or some form rules all teams.

I know I will get flamed for this but ship out Theodore, you could get a package of guys including some sizable guys.
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Old 10-28-2003, 11:56 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Comrie will not help you out, much like Saku he is just too damn small, and the Eastern game is a more physically demanding game, ie he will have to lineup against some pretty big guys and seeing as he is only 4 ft 2.... He is okay in the West because it is a free flowing game for the most part, in the East the Trap or some form rules all teams.

I know I will get flamed for this but ship out Theodore, you could get a package of guys including some sizable guys.
First off, they aren't going to trade him after a couple bad games. I know your Leaf mentality of doing that is difficult to handle at times, but no need to panic yet.
Second, there really isn't a market out there for him to go anywhere at this point. Sure there is Colorado, but if Cujo is getting paid 8 million and Theodore 7.5 this season, they would have just picked up Cujo at the waiver draft, who is more proven in my eyes then Theodore. Yes, in a trade Colorado would eliminate some salary by player(s) returning to Montreal in a deal, but that point really is a wash!!!
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I don't see a problem with trading Theodore for a few reasons....

First I believe Garon is capable of being a #1 goalie in the NHL and I think he can do it now! Second Garon is a lot cheaper then Theo. Right now the HAbs don't have a lot of attractive players to trade but with the depth at goaltending Theo may be expendable. Damphousse would be a capable backup. I doubt Theo will be traded but if things continue the way they are going...you never know.

The Canadiens right now are a very young and inexperienced team and I understand that success does not happen overnight and I willing to be patient but if the team continues to come out and display such a lackluster effort every night its hard to be patient. At least if they were playing as hard as they could every night then the losses would be easier to take but its very clear this is not happening.

I am still puzzled why Boullion is starting in place of Hainsey. Boullion is only like 5'10 and Hainsey is 6'3 and posses more skills offensively and isn't as easily pushed over by the likes of Thornton and Primeau.

All I know is that Gainey is not going to stand for this type of effort and he is not the type of GM to simply sit back and let things that their course.
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As much as I had a huge amount of respect for Gainey as a player, I find that he has done a mediocre job at best as a GM, certainly he has his Stanley Cup ring as a GM, but some will have you believe that he was handed that ring by the league in that they screwed up in allowing the goal by Hull to stand. Gainey is the guy who twice walked away from Dallas, once by removing himself as head coach, then by removing himself as GM.
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First I believe Garon is capable of being a #1 goalie in the NHL and I think he can do it now!
That's pretty risky to do because you have a hunch that Garon will be a good #1., especially considering you said...

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If the Canadiiens are throwing away the season now, then dump Theodore and fight for Ovekchin and you'll get the first overall pick. If you are going to dump Theodore, you may as well dump Perrault, Rivet, Brisebois, Juneau and Dackell right now for a complete youth movement.


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At least if they were playing as hard as they could every night then the losses would be easier to take but its very clear this is not happening.
Montreal has been playing hard, but effort can only get you so far. They just don't have the talent right now.

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Fair enough, but he can't just go shake heads after every bad game. He said himself that there will be some bad nights and everybody, including himself will have to be patient!!!
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Old 10-29-2003, 12:27 AM   #8 (permalink)
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I disagree that they have been hard. Watching them in their defensive zone, it looks like their skates are glued to the ice. Perfect example is on the Knuble goal. But....like you said their talent pool is very low right now. I honestly don't believe that old man Juneau can skate with the likes of Thornton, Murray and Knuble.

I'm not saying that they should give up on the season, hell they are only .500. But I don't think they can compete for the playoffs with the roster they have right now. Getting Koivu and Kilger back would help a lot. Last I heard is that Koivu is targeting Sat. night against the Rangers for his return but I will believe it when I see it.

Trading Theo may not be the best idea I suppose but the way I see it is that trading him is one of the only ways to bring in some serious talent. But who is going to want a 6.5 million goalie right now....no one. I would like to see Hainsey and Komiserik inserted into the lineup because this team is still a few years away from being any sort of contender so its better to get them experience right now.
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Montreal at the beginning of the season, totally had no hype. There were no huge expectations. The fans understood that this year would be rebuilding.

Then, they exceed expecations by playing well to start the year. But now they have reminded us that they are indeed rebuilding.

No, do not make these trades. Thats like putting a band aid on the problem, something the Habs have done alot. Its time to be patient, patience is a virtue.

Comrie will never come to Montreal, so let the idea pass you by. He is too small, and they need to get bigger, not smaller. Montreal made a huge mistake trading away Roy, and they will never make the same mistake again, by trading Theodore
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Then, they exceed expecations by playing well to start the year. But now they have reminded us that they are indeed rebuilding.

No, do not make these trades. Thats like putting a band aid on the problem, something the Habs have done alot. Its time to be patient, patience is a virtue.
You are completely right about exceeding expectations to start the season and you are right about not trading Theo, it would probably be best to hang on to him because building a team starts from the back.

I'm not suggesting that they trade away all their young prospects but I would like to see them move players like Audette, Juneau, Dackell, Quintal, Rivet and Brisebois. But I guess I have to be realistic... who the hell would want these guys.....I think we all know the answer to that.

I am willing to be patient with this team because I know that most of the future isn't even playing with the team right now but I'm tired of watching heartless game after heartless game.
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