AvsRuleUDrule

Let me get this straight.. Rev and I have sourced multiple links from alot of different sources supporting our argument and that is all you have is YOUR thesis? seems kind of weak to me.

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a4l

Excuse me they are gov't statistics from the UK, not composed by partisan groups like a lot of other people's were. Also the main point I was arguing was that the GUN crime rate in the UK is far lower than in the US. My thesis is far from weak.

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AvsRuleUDrule

where are your numbers that backs up YOUR thesis? and governments would never fib to make the people feel safer.... no way... they would never tell a wittle white lie to get the masses believing that they are safer the way it is... especially if that government is a dictatorship

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Reverend_HellH0und

So you say show them your belly.


A gun is an both a prevention and a cure to my right to life!

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British authorities routinely underreport murder statistics. Comparing statistics between different nations can be quite difficult since foreign officials frequently use different standards in compiling crime statistics.
* The British media has remained quite critical of authorities there for "fiddling" with crime data. Consider some of the headlines in their papers: "Crime figures a sham, say police,"161 "Police are accused of fiddling crime data,"162 and "Police figures under-record offences by 20 percent."163
* British police have also criticized the system because of the "widespread manipulation" of crime data:
a. "Officers said that pressure to convince the public that police were winning the fight against crime had resulted in a long list of ruses to ‘massage’ statistics."164
b. Sgt. Mike Bennett says officers have become increasingly frustrated with the practice of manipulating statistics. "The crime figures are meaningless," he said. "Police everywhere know exactly what is going on."165
c. According to The Electronic Telegraph, "Officers said the recorded level of crime bore no resemblance to the actual amount of crime being committed."166
* Underreporting crime data: "One former Scotland Yard officer told The Telegraph of a series of tricks that rendered crime figures ‘a complete sham.’ A classic example, he said, was where a series of homes in a block of flats were burgled and were regularly recorded as one crime. Another involved pickpocketing, which was not recorded as a crime unless the victim had actually seen the item being stolen."167
* Underreporting murder data: British crime reporting tactics keep murder rates artificially low. "Suppose that three men kill a woman during an argument outside a bar. They are arrested for murder, but because of problems with identification (the main witness is dead), charges are eventually dropped. In American crime statistics, the event counts as a three-person homicide, but in British statistics it counts as nothing at all. ‘With such differences in reporting criteria, comparisons of U.S. homicide rates with British homicide rates is a sham,’ [a 2000 report from the Inspectorate of Constabulary] concludes."168

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a4l

... and what nonpartisan document did this come from? k:

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Reverend_HellH0und

Read it and weep:


161 Ian Henry and Tim Reid, "Crime figures a sham, say police," The Electronic Telegraph (April 1, 1996).
162 Tim Reid, "Police are accused of fiddling crime data," The Electronic Telegraph (May 4, 1997).
163 John Steele, "Police figures under-record offences by 20 percent," The Electronic Telegraph (July 13, 2000).
164 See supra note 161.
165 Ibid.
166 Ibid.
167 See supra note 162.
168 Dave Kopel, Dr. Paul Gallant and Dr. Joanne Eisen, "Britain: From Bad to Worse," NewsMax.com (March 22, 2001).

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a4l

The Telegraph .... no wonder. Sorry but that tends to be one of the raggiest papers around. They are always getting sued for their inaccuracies. Also these are commentaries written by the newspaper staff.
Look at the dates ... some of your info is 9 years old.

sham & shame

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Reverend_HellH0und

So I post facts.

I post sources.


You say they are no good.


You say "shame and sham"


But yet offer up no counter evidence or facts to prove me wrong.


Just ad hominem attacks....


That is sad.


I win.


Guns for everyone! :lol:

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AvsRuleUDrule

Hooray Guns!

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