Hockey Trades, Rumors & SigningsThe NHL always has a very active trading rumor-mill. Who is the next player to be shipped out? And who will be the next big free agent signing? Discuss NHL trade rumors and free agents.
I wouldn't if I knew that Kovalchuk wasn't going to sign a deal past this year. If he's bailing, I would want something for him and the package is pretty good, even though I would ask for a 1st and a prospect instead of Ponikarovski. If he's going to sign an extension or has already, then I would keep him.
I doubt the Thrashers are looking forward to paying Kovy what he will be demanding next year. They might pay it, but a big salary like his is coming straight out of the owners pocket.
Poni might be the negotiating point. Perhaps Atl would prefer Kulemin or Williams but I wouldn't give them much more than that. Kovy is set for UFA at the end of the season, and between his new contract and a lower cap the market for him is not as big as it would be this season.
Anyways:
To TOR:
Drury
Staal
To NYR:
Kaberle
Stajan
3rd 2010
Don't care about Drury. He can play in the minors for all I care. The Rags will be happy to be rid of him. Staal is the one the Leafs need.
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You ask Ovechkin if he would trade his Art Ross and Richard Trophies, to trade places with Sidney Crosby last June.
I doubt the Thrashers are looking forward to paying Kovy what he will be demanding next year. They might pay it, but a big salary like his is coming straight out of the owners pocket.
Poni might be the negotiating point. Perhaps Atl would prefer Kulemin or Williams but I wouldn't give them much more than that. Kovy is set for UFA at the end of the season, and between his new contract and a lower cap the market for him is not as big as it would be this season.
Anyways:
To TOR:
Drury
Staal
To NYR:
Kaberle
Stajan
3rd 2010
Don't care about Drury. He can play in the minors for all I care. The Rags will be happy to be rid of him. Staal is the one the Leafs need.
Not sure if you could pry Staal away from the Rags for that price. If the trade went through, it would be mainly for the Rangers to dump Drurys contract.
Well, maybe sign both, and also tag along a 2nd rounder.
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Wouldn't do that either way. Sorry Colby, I know you're a friend of Sid's but we don't really need you back. Third line is already set with Cooke-Staal-Kennedy. Don't need to sign an offer sheet for what would be a third/fourth liner. Giving up Goligoski(24yr old Dman who had 20 pts in his first year up in 45 games) for Colby just doesn't make sense. Jump at it if you were Atlanta, I'd want more if I were the Pens. Besides, this year the Pens are turning over a few older Dmen that are not going to be needed anymore(Gil, Boucher) and will possibly lose Scuds to FA, so they will be keeping GoGo around.
Yes, I'm aware of Goligoski's statistics and potential. My point was that two UFAs in Sykora and Gill have literally no value to any team at this point. You're both welcome to make a counter offer, just don't put garbage in a proposal and say it's an offer the Thrashers can't refuse. If a first round pick and a prospect were coming then I would probably accept that as well. As we stand, Gill and Sykora have no value in a trade for me.
Signing them for the express purpose of trading them and throwing in a 2nd is a ridiculous proposal at best. You're going to act like they'll be an important part of the team and then when they sign, instantly ship them out? That sure is being loyal to the players and is sure to attract free agents in the future or help you retain players.
Yes, I'm aware of Goligoski's statistics and potential. My point was that two UFAs in Sykora and Gill have literally no value to any team at this point. You're both welcome to make a counter offer, just don't put garbage in a proposal and say it's an offer the Thrashers can't refuse. If a first round pick and a prospect were coming then I would probably accept that as well. As we stand, Gill and Sykora have no value in a trade for me.
Signing them for the express purpose of trading them and throwing in a 2nd is a ridiculous proposal at best. You're going to act like they'll be an important part of the team and then when they sign, instantly ship them out? That sure is being loyal to the players and is sure to attract free agents in the future or help you retain players.
You can explain to the players that you're doing a sign and trade though. They just have to agree to the contract and destination before hand.
You can explain to the players that you're doing a sign and trade though. They just have to agree to the contract and destination before hand.
True, but that's a tricky situation to be in though, and something that I believe teams should never put a player through.
Besides, would Gill and Sykora agree to be signed and instantly shipped off to Atlanta? Especially when on Wednesday, they could sign anywhere they want?
True, but that's a tricky situation to be in though, and something that I believe teams should never put a player through.
Besides, would Gill and Sykora agree to be signed and instantly shipped off to Atlanta? Especially when on Wednesday, they could sign anywhere they want?
I agree. The only reason I mention it is because it is done quite a bit in the NBA. Most of the time it is done because a player pulls a Heatley and says he wants to leave, and the management is left trying to get something back for their star player. The star player then gives a Heatley like list of places they would like to go.
Obviously not the same situation as Sykora and Gill, just showing one option.
Yes, I'm aware of Goligoski's statistics and potential. My point was that two UFAs in Sykora and Gill have literally no value to any team at this point. You're both welcome to make a counter offer, just don't put garbage in a proposal and say it's an offer the Thrashers can't refuse. If a first round pick and a prospect were coming then I would probably accept that as well. As we stand, Gill and Sykora have no value in a trade for me.
Sorry, perhaps I should have gone back further first to comment on the original proposal, because right now Gil and Sykora wouldn't get you more than a few bags of used pucks. Sykora is too old, and wore down in a big way as the season went. And Gil, well, he's Hal Gil, who serves a limited role(at least should) as a defensive defenseman on the PK.
I was only looking at the later talk of shedding Goligoski, whom IMHO has alot more upside in today's NHL than does Armstrong.
In essence I am agreeing with you, as Gil and Sykora have NO trade value as UFA's at their age two days before free agency. You could not even find someone who would want exclusive rights to them for two days for a conditional late round pick.
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Sorry, perhaps I should have gone back further first to comment on the original proposal, because right now Gil and Sykora wouldn't get you more than a few bags of used pucks. Sykora is too old, and wore down in a big way as the season went. And Gil, well, he's Hal Gil, who serves a limited role(at least should) as a defensive defenseman on the PK.
I was only looking at the later talk of shedding Goligoski, whom IMHO has alot more upside in today's NHL than does Armstrong.
In essence I am agreeing with you, as Gil and Sykora have NO trade value as UFA's at their age two days before free agency. You could not even find someone who would want exclusive rights to them for two days for a conditional late round pick.
I initially thought you were defending the Sykora/Gill deal, I'm certainly glad that you cleared that up.
I agree with Goligoski having more upside, which is why I placed him in the deal.
He would be part of an offer a team like Atlanta couldn't refuse, which is the whole point of the topic. That's why I placed him in the deal, add to the fact that anybody that would be of value to Atlanta is signed to a long-term deal or Pittsburgh won't trade.
The deal could move forward for a package of Kennedy, Caputi and the rights to Lovejoy or a 3rd or high 4th pick.
Wait...this could move forward a deal for..Armstrong?! You're kidding right? Or am I missing something?
Armstrong, Hedberg and a 3rd.
Read the whole thread, the whole point is to make an offer they can't refuse.
Armstrong means a lot to the Thrashers' fanbase and the team itself. He's one of the most popular players that's on the team, sells the second most jerseys behind Kovalchuk, one of the main defensive players on Atlanta (as shown by him being the only one in their top six with a positive +/-) and from Kozlov's mouth itself, he's one of the few leadership guys in the room.
Not to mention that he's a 20 goal scorer playing on the second line in Atlanta, and could easily hit 30 or more if he's brought back to Pittsbugh and put back on a line with Crosby.
He brings a lot of intangibles to whichever team he's on. And the deal of Armstrong/Hedberg/3rd for Kennedy/Caputi/4th is very fair to both teams.
At least it's better than UFA Gill and UFA Sykora for Armstrong and Hedberg. As I said in a prior post, you're more than welcome to counter offer.
An Offer They Can't Refuse.
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