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Sundin isn't holding a gun to anyones head here. If a GM feels he can wait it out, then wait it out. If a team feels they can't wait, then go with the backup plan.....no backup plan? Fire the GM!
With limited cap space and what Sundin will get he in a way is holding a gun to teams heads.
At the very least he could let his intentions on where he will sign be known if in-fact he does decide to stay in the NHL , at least teams then could go about the business of signing other players.
With limited cap space and what Sundin will get he in a way is holding a gun to teams heads.
At the very least he could let his intentions on where he will sign be known if in-fact he does decide to stay in the NHL , at least teams then could go about the business of signing other players.
It's the risk a team takes when they get involved in discussions with free agents. It's not Mats Sundin's obligation to help every team that's interested in him make their decisions. If these teams don't like waiting for Sundin, then they need to move on. I'm pretty sure the Habs, Canucks, and whatever other teams are involved know the risk or they would've moved on by now. And if they don't know the risk, then they're just plain stupid.
Oh...! I would have said yes but then it turns out you were talking about being a contender for the the Stanley Cup, not the race for the #1 draft pick.
As for Mats Sundin... I don't know what's up. I doubt he'll be going to Vancouver since it's a Stanley Cup he'd want. I'd say Montreal would be the #1 choice, not only because of them being a good team, but also because of location (a few hours away from Toronto even by car). I just don't see him settling in the West Coast (I think even Ottawa was an option as he's good friends with Alfie... contrary to popular belief amongst Leafs and Sens fans).
Whatever the case be, my team needs to move on, and seem to be doing alright there... for now.
Nice sig by the way.
Really. If it was a Stanley Cup he wanted, then why didn't he waive his NTC at the last trade deadline? Why did he publicly state that he wanted to retire a Maple Leaf? Why hasn't he jumped at the chance to sign in Montreal?
IMO, this is about family. Does the family want to leave the place they've called home in North America for the better part of two decades?
My guess, since he wasn't thrilled with the way the Leafs treated him over the last few months, he was hedging toward retiring, at least from the NHL. And then the Canucks stepped up and made him an offer that only a fool would walk away from, no matter how much money he has already, and he's had to rethink his position.
You can say that chasing the money is the wrong decision, but NOT ONE OF YOU would turn down Mike Gillis' offer, and neither should Sundin.
You should know better Gordo. No personal attacks.
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Really. If it was a Stanley Cup he wanted, then why didn't he waive his NTC at the last trade deadline? Why did he publicly state that he wanted to retire a Maple Leaf? Why hasn't he jumped at the chance to sign in Montreal?
IMO, this is about family. Does the family want to leave the place they've called home in North America for the better part of two decades?
Nice response. That makes sense.
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My guess, since he wasn't thrilled with the way the Leafs treated him over the last few months, he was hedging toward retiring, at least from the NHL. And then the Canucks stepped up and made him an offer that only a fool would walk away from, no matter how much money he has already, and he's had to rethink his position.
You can say that chasing the money is the wrong decision, but NOT ONE OF YOU would turn down Mike Gillis' offer, and neither should Sundin.
The man has already had his retirement locked up for years with the millions and millions of dollars that he's made over his lifetime. I don't know if only a fool could walk away from that, especially if he's been thinking of retirment for quite some time now (this didn't only begin at this year's TD, he's talked about it before on numerous occasions.)
As for none of us turning down an offer like that: if I still didn't have a Stanley Cup at Sundin's age, I'd be looking to whoever was closest to getting me there and if that means turning down $10M/y (for 2 years) for $4M/y(for 2 years) when I'm pretty much already set for retirement (along with my children's retirement, and then maybe even grandchildren's retirement... and then maybe a little further down the road if things get there), yeah I'd turn it down! You can only put it off for so long... for those who retire without a Cup ring it must be painful to never see their name on that Trophy after a decade of skating your guts out.
I mean, what's more important at that point: The Stanley Cup (the most glorious Tropy in all of sports IMO), or money that you'll never live to use?
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The man has already had his retirement locked up for years with the millions and millions of dollars that he's made over his lifetime. I don't know if only a fool could walk away from that, especially if he's been thinking of retirment for quite some time now (this didn't only begin at this year's TD, he's talked about it before on numerous occasions.)
As for none of us turning down an offer like that: if I still didn't have a Stanley Cup at Sundin's age, I'd be looking to whoever was closest to getting me there and if that means turning down $10M/y (for 2 years) for $4M/y(for 2 years) when I'm pretty much already set for retirement (along with my children's retirement, and then maybe even grandchildren's retirement... and then maybe a little further down the road if things get there), yeah I'd turn it down! You can only put it off for so long... for those who retire without a Cup ring it must be painful to never see their name on that Trophy after a decade of skating your guts out.
I mean, what's more important at that point: The Stanley Cup (the most glorious Tropy in all of sports IMO), or money that you'll never live to use?
OK, let me ask you this? Why do you think Scott Niedermayer is coming back again? He has 4 Stanley Cup rings already, along with eveything else he could possibly win except a Hart Trophy.
Why do you think Forsberg keeps risking his ability to walk without a cane?
For the same reason the oil barons of the world are prepared to starve entire countries.
Money my friend. It talks louder than God himself.
Money my friend. It talks louder than God himself.
And yet Hossa left something like $56mill guaranteed money on the table to sign with the Red Wings rather than the Oilers. I think Sundin would be able to do something similar in rejecting the Canucks offer.
And yet Hossa left something like $56mill guaranteed money on the table to sign with the Red Wings rather than the Oilers. I think Sundin would be able to do something similar in rejecting the Canucks offer.
Especially since Sundin was making 9 million dollars a year for like 6 years in the precap era.
And yet Hossa left something like $56mill guaranteed money on the table to sign with the Red Wings rather than the Oilers. I think Sundin would be able to do something similar in rejecting the Canucks offer.
And let's not forget Paul Kariya and the Anaheim Mighty Ducks. They were going to give him another $10M but he said screw that and went to instead for Colorado for $1.2M to try and win the Cup. This along with his buddy from back in the Mighty Duck days in Teemu Selanne, who declined on his option of another $6.5M season with the Sharks for $5.8M with the Avs.
The salary Cap wasn't even in place when that happened.
__________________ "It's not the way it's going to be. We have to be very, very patient and build this the right way. We have to go through a process. It may be painful. I hope it isn't. But we're prepared for all the bumps and pratfalls and potholes in the road ahead. I'm prepared for it anyway, or I wouldn't have come." - Ron Wilson, Head Coach of the Toronto Maple Leafs.
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OK, let me ask you this? Why do you think Scott Niedermayer is coming back again? He has 4 Stanley Cup rings already, along with eveything else he could possibly win except a Hart Trophy.
Why do you think Forsberg keeps risking his ability to walk without a cane?
For the same reason the oil barons of the world are prepared to starve entire countries.
Money my friend. It talks louder than God himself.
I think that Niedermayer just loves to play the game. Why'd it take him so long to come back, and he ended up screwing up the Ducks' Cap space in the process. He thought they had a chance and he went for it.
They came up short.
And let's remember Forsberg only wanted the teams that had the best chance of winning. He even narrowed his list down to Philadelphia, Ottawa, and Colorado (and a few other teams as well). He had unfinished business in Philadelphia, and the Senators needed a top line centerman (and had the Alfie factor yet again).
He wanted to win again too. Last he won was in 2001 (and he was injured). He was out with his ruptured spleen and the Avalanche beat the Devils without him.
Colorado had a decent team again, and he gave it another go.
With that said, I will agree with you about money as a whole and how this world is run when it comes to it. I've done much research and study on the subject.
However, I don't know if it's end all be all of this world, but at the same time some people know that they only have so may chances to get what really matters to them at certain points in time. Sometimes the chance may never come again, and I'm sure in many instances (like the examples mentioned above) at least few realise that.
__________________ "It's not the way it's going to be. We have to be very, very patient and build this the right way. We have to go through a process. It may be painful. I hope it isn't. But we're prepared for all the bumps and pratfalls and potholes in the road ahead. I'm prepared for it anyway, or I wouldn't have come." - Ron Wilson, Head Coach of the Toronto Maple Leafs.
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Really. If it was a Stanley Cup he wanted, then why didn't he waive his NTC at the last trade deadline? Why did he publicly state that he wanted to retire a Maple Leaf? Why hasn't he jumped at the chance to sign in Montreal?
If we believe Sundin himself, he said that he didn't want to join a team at the deadline just to win a Cup, that he wants to be part of it from day one until the end. He may be a liar I don't know, but he certainly doesn't have that reputation so I take his word for face value.
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And yet Hossa left something like $56mill guaranteed money on the table to sign with the Red Wings rather than the Oilers. I think Sundin would be able to do something similar in rejecting the Canucks offer.
You beat me to it. Money is important, but at some point, those guys are set for life, especially at that stage of their life. Just about every player in the NHL will tell you that more than money, their ultimate goal is to win a Stanley Cup. Montreal, more than Vancouver and Toronto, could provide him with this chance within the next year or two.
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