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Old 10-07-2003, 08:53 PM   #1 (permalink)
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WHo will score 20 goals this season for the Oilers? I think this year, many Oilers have potential to score 20, but I think only a few of them will. Smyth, Hemsky, York, Horcoff, Chimera, Isbister, and Dvorak all have a chance to score 20. But the players that I think actually will, are Smyth (as always), York (if his wrist doesn't bother him), and Hemsky (we expect a lot out of him. The others (Horcoff, Chimmer, Izzy, and D-vo), willg et above 10 goals. What do you think?
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Old 10-07-2003, 11:10 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I like your picks, but I'd add Comrie if he joins the team in time and Torres hes looking to impress this season... It could happen.
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Old 10-08-2003, 02:35 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Smyth should crack 30 with Hemsky setting him up.

Comrie will be back in the 30 goal range too either with this team or another!

Hemsky should be right around 20 (I anticipate his assists to be a lot higher).

Isbister looks hungry enough to be in the 20-25 range.

York will break 20 no problem, especially if he's the centre on the top line with Hemsky and Smyth.

Dvorak will be in and around 20 for sure.

The rest of the forwards will be in the 10-15 range.
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Old 10-08-2003, 02:38 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Don't expect too much from Hemsky just yet. I remember the last time an Oiler prospect got off to a good start(ahem..Arnott) and we all know he faded hard in Edmonton and never lived up to the billing after his rookie season!!!
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Nobody who watched all of the Oilers games last season would ever say that. Hemsky is twice the talent that Arnott ever was. Not that Arnott didn't have talent.

Arnott just had too many off-ice distractions. He lived the high life with his Viper and adoring fans. Then he knocked a young woman up and had a child out of wedlock. His mind wasn't on hockey. And didn't become a consistent player till he landed in New Jersey.

Hemsky has the same kind of eastern eurpean talent that Hejduk and Hossa have. He's going to be a superstar. And a staple on hi-lite reels for years to come.

20 goals, 30 assists this season for sure.
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Old 10-08-2003, 12:53 PM   #6 (permalink)
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The funny thing about Jason Arnott is how his performance during his time with Edmonton has been perceived. The general feeling has been that he had that terrific rookie year and then never again played as well for the Oilers. I believe we need to consider some things in his (well, EVERY player's situation, really) case that make a difference.

-Offense began dropping sharply after his rookie year of 1994. League-wide goals-per game dropped by 0.5 goals the next season and by his final time with the Oilers in 1998, goals per game had dropped by more than one goal, to 5.3.
-During the 1996 and 97 seasons he missed playing time due to more unusual injuries and afflictions. Struck in the face by heavy David Manson shot, appendicitis, etc. Didn't help.

League-Scoring Adjusted Production (LSAP)

LSAP = (((PTS/MIN) / LGPG) * 1000)

Where PTS equals points scored, MIN equals the estimated number of minutes played (the doubtful or curious can read my Ice Time Estimation essay: http://members.shaw.ca/hbtn/player_study/ice_time.htm
LGPG equals League Goals per Game.

LSAP shows the player's level of production (scoring compared to the amount he played), and compares it to the level of league offense. Higher offense means that there are more points to go round for everybody, the opposite is true when LGPG is lower. The amount of time that a player is on the ice, obviously makes a large difference in trying to determine how good they were at scoring. LSAP is multiplied by 1000 to give us a more readable number than 0.00689, for example.

Arnott's LSAP numbers during Oilers tenure:
1994- 6.89
1995- 7.64
1996- 7.69
1997- 7.43
1998- 2.81

In 1998, Arnott had what was EASILY the worst season of his career, with 33 points in 70 games. Ironically enough, his LSAP with New Jersey that year was lower: 2.34.

So, aside from his last 35 games with the Oilers, Arnott was a more effective scorer than he was in his rookie year.

But... Okay... Some may not like using ice time estimates... I can live with that, it's a free country... Let's take his points per game and compare it to the league scoring level, but not account for ice time.

PRO = ((PPG/LGPG) *100)

Where PPG equals points per game and LGPG (again) equals league goals per game. THis is multiplied by 100, again, for easier viewing.

Arnott's PRO numbers, during Oilers tenure.
1994- 13.41
1995- 14.68
1996- 14.63
1997- 14.67
1998- 9.70

This shows the exact same thing as when ice time was accounted for. Arnott was NOT better in his rookie year than his next years for Edmonton, except for his last 35 games, when he flat-out struggled. Was there any reason for the Oilers to believe that he wouldn't be able to score more points again?

Essentially, one bad year aside, the repeated talk of Arnott failing to live up to his rookie campaign is incorrect.

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Smyth has the potential to crack 40 but he'll hit in the 30's

Hemmer will hit 20 for sure(baring injuries)

Izzy's time is now. He's going to hit 20

York will also he's great on the ice.
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How about the top 5 point-getters for the Oilers? Here's a general idea for my prediction:

1. Ryan Smyth
2. Mike York
3. Ales Hemsky
4. Shawn Horcoff
5. Radek Dvorak or Brad Isbister

All, if stay healthy, will be very high in the Oilers scoring list.
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I swear to god I think Torres is going to have a great season, I'll bet he'll be in the top 10 alteast.
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